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Why can't cyclist use the Western Approach Road?

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  • Started 12 years ago by tarmac jockey
  • Latest reply from SRD

  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Politicians and civil servnts love the word strategic - it sounds important without actually meaning anything.

    They love it at our work too. I think bicycles would be considered "tactical" traffic (a quick, cheap fix, avoided by management, to be gotten rid of when we move to "strategic" utopia, but ultimately ends up becoming the norm for conveniences' sake.)

    Strategic generally means very expensive, takes 5 years to put in, runs over budget, never functions as intended and even before it is implements you already have to start planning for its replacement as it is clear it will not suffice. Yes it would seem that roads and cars really are "strategic" traffic!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    @Morningsider, I had guessed that it was a substitute for 'long distance'. I was just wondering why exactly they use such a term.

    I suppose if they just came clean and said it was to make it easier for drivers from Irvine and further afield to commute into Glasgow ("improved economic and employment opportunities") /get to the airport for holiday flights ("better journey time reliability") without having to go via Paisley then it might be more of a struggle to justify the cost.

    Imagine if they planned to spend £28 million on cycling infrastructure instead...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    It is quite telling when you browse the Transport Scotland web site.

    Look at the 'Road projects' section and there are future plans and imminent/ongoing projects coming out of their ears. Only a few 'completed'/past tense projects. Check out the pull-down menu on the right for the full list, including the Dalry bypass.

    Then compare that to the Cycling projects section and it is ALL 'completed'/past tense projects. Nothing in the pipeline. At all.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Arellcat
    Moderator

    @Kaputnik: 'Strategic' means having the authority to set out what should happen, be produced or reported upon, without any of that tedious mucking about with project managers, contractors and performance information.

    'Tactical' is an early 2000s buzzword to be applied to generalist consumer goods that have been souped up through aggressive appearance (machined aluminium with strategically-placed rubbery hand grips) and Bear Grylls-style marketing for helping the hardened few survive the zombopocalypse.

    I think the case for a cycle expressway along the West Approach Road is the same for why cars get to use it: it's an expressway with few sets of traffic lights and lets you get more quickly to Useful Places, such as the middle of town. Except unlike cars, bicycles don't add greatly to congestion and unlike buses, don't destroy the tarmac. Cycling from the west side of the city to Waverley for example can be a complete nightmare on a bicycle because the New Town is (still) a mess of impenetrable roadworks and jam-packed buses; and the alternative involves hiking up around the Castle, or down into the Grassmarket (and out again), or taking a big diversion through the Meadows. The solution is clearly to sort out a fast way of getting into town, and then a fast way of getting across the middle - about which for non-motorised transport CEC isn't terribly bothered.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. cb
    Member

    Not so fast crowriver. This road project...

    http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/road/projects/a68-south-soutra-to-oxton-project

    ...will, "Incorporate the needs of cyclist and pedestrians"

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    crowriver - it's an amazing though, isn't it. Imagine if the Scottish Government cancelled plans for a single major roads project and instead allocated the funds to each of the four big Scottish cities for the creation of high quality cycling infrastructure. It would totally transform travel in these areas for good. All for the cost of one mid-sized bypass.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Cycling from the east side of the city to Waverley for example can be a complete nightmare on a bicycle

    I presume you mean the west side of the city? From the east you can use Regent Road, which is quiet, fairly smooth, straight and wide.

    @cb, oh really? I thought it was more about this:

    "The scheme is needed to:
    Improve the operational performance, level service and safety on the A68
    Improve and increase the number of overtaking opportunities
    Incorporate the needs of cyclist and pedestrians
    Maintain the asset value of the A68
    Mitigate environmental impacts of works and to achieve good value for money"

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    Imagine if the Scottish Government cancelled plans for a single major roads project and instead allocated the funds to each of the four big Scottish cities for the creation of high quality cycling infrastructure. It would totally transform travel in these areas for good. All for the cost of one mid-sized bypass.

    I can imagine it, so can you.
    Apparently neither Keith Brown nor Transport Scotland can.

    Instead cycling is always something to get around to after all the money has been allocated to 'strategic traffic' projects. Oh, here's a few bawbees for your local cooncil to match fund a shared use path with plenty of chicanes, or slap a bit of paint on murder highway central, not removing any parking bays, naturally.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Arellcat
    Moderator

    @crowriver: yes, I was thinking 'eastbound' but wrote 'east' instead of 'west'.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. cc
    Member

    not removing any parking bays, naturally.

    They might even add *extra* parking spaces when they make a QBC, like they did on Mayfield Road.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. It's intertesting looking at the original mpa of the QBC and seeing the places they are putting in new bike lanes. Side by side with where new, all-day, parking bays are being put in. In the same place.

    Page 2 of this document

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. Oh, and the 'existing bike lane' heading west at the start of Melville Drive... Has been removed.

    Keep meanign to cycle the route and film just what it will mean for cyclists in Edinburgh.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    Folk are parking all over the QBC anyway, regardless of where the parking bays are. Or maybe they're "loading" without their hazard lights on? Blackspots include outside the supermarket on Causewayside and beside the Informatics building on Buccleuch Street. Both areas supposedly already subject to parking and loading restrictions, so how extending those by a couple of hours either way is going to help I don't know.

    Will there be any enforcement to go along with the so-called restrictions? Otherwise it's just white paint and red chips...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    “Why can't cyclist use the Western Approach Road?“

    Remains a good question.

    Could have been SO much worse!

    Mr Darling became transport convener when Labour regained control of Lothian in 1986, which put him right at the heart of what had been a long-running battle over the proposed Western Relief Road, a bypass for Corstorphine.

    “When we got elected in 1986, the contracts had been signed the day before the 
election and we ripped them up the day after the election, so it was never built.

    “If we hadn’t stopped it, the middle of Edinburgh would have been a completely different place from what it is today. It would have been destroyed by these maniacs who wanted to build a stilted-up motorway as the way of the future.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20231130163406/https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/alistair-darling-looks-back-at-his-career-884558

    Posted 11 months ago #
  15. Arellcat
    Moderator

    And:

    https://scottishroadscast.podbean.com/e/14-edinburgh-s-city-centre-motorway-struggle/

    (is a good episode to listen to!)

    Posted 11 months ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    What were the development costs associated with the proposed Western Relief Road, up to the point of cancellation, upgraded to today’s prices?

    The proposed Western Relief Road was cancelled in 1986 and it is difficult to access detailed records. It is not, therefore, possible to distinguish development from other costs. However,the following total project costs were incurred:

    Development, construction, compensation costs etc:

    In current prices £6.52 million*

    24 February 2005

    P35

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/Data/City%20of%20Edinburgh%20Council/20050407/Agenda/previous_minute_of_240205.pdf

    Suspect high proportion was for “compensation” of cancelled contract - it was paid over many subsequent years

    Posted 11 months ago #
  17. SRD
    Moderator

    "Blackspots include outside the supermarket on Causewayside and beside the Informatics building on Buccleuch Street."

    Not scientific but have been thinking that the obstruction of the lanes on Buccleuch street is much less than it used to be. noticed this a few months ago and have been checking it out whenever I pass through. possibly worse at other times of the day but daytime obstruction seems to have dropped.

    Posted 11 months ago #
  18. Frenchy
    Member

    Not scientific but have been thinking that the obstruction of the lanes on Buccleuch street is much less than it used to be.

    Even when the bollards have been removed?

    Posted 11 months ago #
  19. SRD
    Moderator

    Which ones have been removed? I was particularly thinking about the south bound lane by the informatics/the mosque. Have the north bound ones been removed? [not strictly Buccleuch st]

    It was mainly the south bound lanes where I repeatedly experienced aggro or observed the lane being blocked and I've not experienced/seen that in a long time.

    (I do cycle south along here every few months, but walk past / across quite frequently on week days).

    Posted 11 months ago #
  20. SRD
    Moderator

    my mistake - didn't realise that post from Crowriver was ancient history.

    Posted 11 months ago #

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