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Today's rubbish canal cycling

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  • Started 11 years ago by pixelmix
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  1. pixelmix
    Member

    Morning. Long time lurker, occasional poster here.

    A brief observation from today's regular morning commute along the canal.

    To the chap on the Boardman mountain bike: if you can't stop by the bridge at Harrison Park without locking up your back wheel and skidding for several metres, that is probably an indication that you are travelling about 3 times faster than is sensible, and not a problem which would have been solved by me ringing my bell. The fact that I had come to a gentle halt and was track standing to watch you career towards me / the canal indicated that I was a good deal more in control than you.

    I don't have a bell on the bike I was using this morning as most of my bikes are used for racing at weekends, and I find that a combination of sensible speed, a noisy freehub when I coast and a cheery "on your right / thanks" avoids any problems on my daily commute. I also avoid the canal on sunny evenings and tend to be cycling in just before the worst of the morning rush hour, and a good bit after the evening rush hour. I don't claim to be perfect but I do go under the blind bridges at or close to walking pace until I can see clearly out the other side. For these reasons, my personal choice is not to use a bell, although I appreciate that others will take a different view.

    Ringing a bell before piling under the canal bridges at 20mph doesn't do anyone any favours - it just means people will hear you coming before you fall into the canal out of control. At the speed you were travelling you wouldn't have heard my bell even if I had rung one anyway.

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  2. chdot
    Admin

    "before you fall into the canal out of control"

    Did he?!

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  3. pixelmix
    Member

    Sadly not. Not this morning anyway.

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  4. gembo
    Member

    Pixelmix your points are well made. Having a bell would not have made much difference in this instance, however, I find approaching the blind bridge giving a ting is sometimes responded to by someone coming the other way who also tings back, then we both know we are both there which helps. Actually sometimes we both wait for each other on our respective sides then gently nudge towards each other. I had a lad smack into me once and I asked did he not hear my bell, he was apologetic but said he didn't have any brakes. I suggested in my old fogey way that he should therefore approach blind bridges at a slower pace

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  5. Uberuce
    Member

    I've suggested to the folks at the barge meeting South West Team thingy that they install traffic mirrors under the blind ones, although I've no idea whether it went anywhere

    Wonder if we could guerrilla them in ourselves if not?

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  6. chdot
    Admin

    "install traffic mirrors "

    Large screen CCTV might be better for 'young people' - they could watch all day instead of cycling too fast...

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  7. Instography
    Member

    Traffic mirrors tell idiots whether or not it's OK to hammer round under the bridge. You want something that says it's not OK.

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  8. alibali
    Member

    install traffic mirrors under the blind ones

    My suggestion is Total Wipeout(*) style boxing gloves that pop out when something passes at excessive speed.

    Would be self-funding through video sales.

    (*) A respectable programme now that Prof. Spiegelhalter has been on it!

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  9. chdot
    Admin

    "You want something that says it's not OK."

    What was the movie (probably more than one) where cars were caused to crash by a deliberately (temporarily) placed mirror?

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  10. Uberuce
    Member

    If only the shields from Dune were real. Maybe set them to a little faster than however many centimetres per second they allow, but still, one of them at the bridges and the problem's gone.

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  11. Spooks
    Member

    First post, short time lurker.
    Cycle the canal as part of my commute with my EBC MTB ( it's not me he is meaning btw) but its really annoying some people that use the bell and don't slow down, it's a bad enough route without wondering if today is the day I take a dip in the canal.
    I don't use a bell but always slow down and take appropriate lane, giving a warning to pedestrians where I'm going etc, I confess I tend to cycle faster on the straights than poss I should but I'm trying to get home lol
    Seeing as I'm new if anyone sees me, just look out for the white sunglasses, say hey!

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  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    If I'm honest, when I stopped using the canal as I got into cycling, it was the other cyclists that put me off. I could handle the joggers and the dog walkers and the kids and the old ladies, as they were always coming from infront of you at a slow pace. Cyclists approach fast from both directions, much less chance to take avoiding action... I guess people forget if both parties are doing 15mph, it's a 30mph oncoming speed.

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  13. Instography
    Member

    It makes me wonder what these people would be like on segregated infrastructure, if that ever came to pass.

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  14. pixelmix
    Member

    I accept your point re the bell gembo - in an ideal world I would ring a bell AND go at walking pace, but since pedestrians go at walking pace (generally!) without bells I'm no worse than them.

    I'm not sure how effective mirrors would be as they would require users to look some way off the path as they go under the bridge and in the case of people doing 15mph, they probably wouldn't be seen in the mirror in time anyway.

    Today's rubbish canal jogging was from the lady who did a u-turn in front of me as I was cycling round her. She was most apologetic for not knowing I was there owing to her headphones. Thankfully I was going slowly enough to still go round without anyone coming to any grief. A simple mistake.

    And finally, why do people think that the canal bridges are a sensible place to shelter in the rain? Much queuing required to squeeze under the narrower bridges on the way home last night!

    Despite these, I find the canal generally fairly useful and pleasant so long as it isn't a sunny early evening or weekend. 99% of canal users are sensible and considerate.

    Edit:- Spooks sounds like me but without the white sunglasses! I'm also guilty of going briskly on the straights when I can see it is empty/safe.

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  15. chdot
    Admin

    "I'm also guilty of going briskly on the straights when I can see it is empty/safe"

    It's only "guilty" if you believe that the '6mph speed limit' is valid/legal.

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  16. DaveC
    Member

    It's only "guilty" if you believe that the '6mph speed limit' is valid/legal.

    Sounds rather like some drivers who beleive the speed limits should be increased as they wish to drive faster.

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    "99% of canal users are sensible and considerate"

    Wouldn't go quite that high.

    Fortunately most pedestrians realise that it's a shared use facility but there are a few who really don't see why they shouldnt keep blocking the path even when they know there are people on bikes around.

    I think the number of 'rogue' cyclists is fairly small but it is difficult to understand the level of antisocialness that becomes dangerous.

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  18. chdot
    Admin

    "Sounds rather like some drivers who beleive the speed limits should be increased as they wish to drive faster"

    Not really, because (as we have discussed before) it doesn't seem to be a legal limit - and not enforced/enforceable in practice.

    Of course this is close to saying that 'everyone ignores x law so it shouldn't exist'.

    On the canal you want people to act sensibly in their and other people's interest.

    The 6mph isn't sensible and doesn't improve anything.

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  19. AKen
    Member

    It's only "guilty" if you believe that the '6mph speed limit' is valid/legal.

    It may be valid or invalid but, from a practical point of view, how am I supposed to know if I'm going at 6mph?

    Maybe when I start getting overtaken by joggers?

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  20. gembo
    Member

    Ringing bell and not slowing down is way worse than slowing down but not ringing a bell. Best is slowing down and ringing a bell - is my view. If people are wearing headphones, what can you do? I might have some bells kicking about and will be in various bike shops this weekend they sometimes give me free bells if I scrounge nicely. Some people are shy of them I know. I think they were invented to alert others of your presence. Some peeps thank you for slowing down and ting tingling but a few seem to not like it.

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  21. Uberuce
    Member

    PixelMix I'm not sure how effective mirrors would be as they would require users to look some way off the path as they go under the bridge

    Yep, I didn't think of that when I had the idea the other month.

    and in the case of people doing 15mph, they probably wouldn't be seen in the mirror in time anyway.

    Perversely enough, that might be a good thing - as Insto pointed out, we wouldn't want to enable yet more bridge-zooming, which I imagine mirrors inevitably would unless they were angled so they were only useable immediately before the bridge.

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  22. sallyhinch
    Member

    It's quite hard to get a bell that rings in a way that says 'hello pedestrian, bicycle behind you, just so you know' and not 'out of my way pondlife!' Those old fashioned ones seem to make the most friendly noise, but those ping bells are just way too peremptory.

    I've read somewhere the suggestion that bikes (and electric cars) should be fitted with sleigh bells so they just make a gentle ringing noise all the time which would add immensely to the gaiety of the nation. Meanwhile whistling, singing, saying hello or chatting to your companion are probably the best low key ways of alerting people to your approach. Maybe not in Edinburgh though...

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  23. fimm
    Member

    I'm going to get some sleigh bells for my brompton! That's a lovely idea (I suspect it could get quite annoying to the cyclist quite quickly...) I also find that the people I ring my bell at are the people who hear "out of my way, pondlife" and if I don't ring it (or am on a bike that doesn't have one) then people complain that you should have a bell. You can't win.
    I tend to whistle...

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  24. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Sally, I think I agree. Ping bells have become the norm, probably because they have only one moving part, and they do sort of 'demand'.

    But what if they had been invented first, and we were now all using tring!-tring! bells? We might be saying exactly the same thing of them, with their long, drawn out tones reflecting the world-weary cyclist who just wants to get past to speed in quiet to his or her destination.

    I once met a man with seven wives five different ping bells on his handlebars, and he played little tunes on them.

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  25. gembo
    Member

    Optimum is a friendly ting and then a haloo citizen I am just about to squeeze past you on the right hand side, the side you don't wear a watch on (unless you Are left handed), then slow right down and take the pass, watching you don't nudge their shopping.

    I had a staff member in a previous life did her MSc on this very topic, oh yes.

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  26. Pocopiglet
    Member

    The police give out 'purse bells' free of charge as an anti bag dipping device (at least they do in Central Scotland Police area). They are very effective and have a pleasant but very noticeable noise even when buried within a backpack.Perhaps you could try the local police and see if they have any freebies which you could use? They have a lobster claw clip so could fasten to a cable tie left around the bars but be removed to avoid putting temptation in other folks' way.

    I warn you though, you tend to sound like a wayward morris dancer!

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  27. sallyhinch
    Member

    ooh, now there's an idea. Dumfries and Galloway don't seem to do the scheme (more likely anti-theft cow bells...) but Amazon have some cheapies....

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  28. wingpig
    Member

    "...you tend to sound like a wayward morris dancer!"

    What would canalside-dwelling people make of constant jinglings? If I had some approach-warning sleigh bells I'd want something to be able to switch them off to avoid sounding like an entire Morris troupe when travelling over cobbles or rutted surfaces. Even without having a set of sleigh bells fitted, unless the two parts of my lock are immobilised relative to each other they make a low-grade rattling sound all the time anyway. Similarly my front blinker (if left in) rattles constantly.

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  29. Snowy
    Member

    Perhaps the old 'stick tied against the spokes' from our childhood days would have a role to play here :-)

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  30. SRD
    Moderator

    "chatting to your companion" works wonders for tandem-users - at least less silly than talking outloud to yourself

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