Very intelligent and dare I say attractive woman, with an utterly delightful child, briefly interviewed about PoP on Reporting Scotland this evening.
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Very intelligent and dare I say attractive woman
Well now.
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@Frenchy's dog Lanark. And some humans.
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Stickman is missing from Gembo list, he also rode in from Corstorphine.
Scoosh was also with us from the zigzags, although I didn't get a chance to say hi.
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@acsimpson, thanks, I think I can put the stickman face to the stickman handle, did he have a woollen beanie as a helmet? Scoosh not so easy, infact not a scoosh (in the west Scoosh means ginger or indeed Pop if you are southern shandy drinking type but also means the thng is easy as in It's a scoosh)
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I spotted four Elephant Bikes in the massive video of PoP Edinburgh that's online. I know the owners of three of them, but the fourth was a face new to me. Assuming the other chap I know who has one hasn't shaved off his beard, there must be at least five of them in Edinburgh now. They made up ~0.1% of the total bikeage there.
PoP Aberdeen did much better. There were two Elephant Bikes, making up ~2% of the total bikeage. The man and the woman riding them stayed together and chatted the whole way. I assumed they were a couple, but when I talked to the woman she said that she loved her bike and her wife loved her one too and that between them and the chap she'd been talking to they owned Aberdeen's three Elephant Bikes...
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@gembo - yes, that was me
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3 tandems emerging onto ravelston from the roseburn to craigleith path. Had a cheery hello from one of the riders... :-)
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Seafield end of Porty prom last night: an older gent on an old racer type bike wearing a bona fide battered old green flying helmet.
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@unhurt he lives down that end of Porty, often seen on the beach, sitting on his camping stool with a cup of something.
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Met Dave DuFeu at the Meadows pre-PoP - we used to work together at the University before he retired, but I haven't seen him for a few years. He commented that I had become much more of an activist since he knew me there - I suspect this forum may be to blame for my radicalisation...
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“I suspect this forum may be to blame for my radicalisation”
That’s some allegation...
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Do they have to be on bikes for this one?
Saw Gembo (on foot) yesterday as I drove off in a car entirely full of dirty tea towels.
Pre-spot - Unhurt this coming thursday as she's coming out for tea.
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spotted Sheeptoucher in car with slight dent in rear passenger door RHS
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@chdot- an allegation of the gentlest and most respectful sort, of course.
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@gembo oh, that is MY dent you spotted.
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@unhurt, only a modest dent. A panel beater could fix, or could be ignored like all the dents in our car.
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Lots of cyclists, including myself, ignoring the 'cyclists dismount' sign on MMW and riding carefully alongside the pedestrians to pass the works (which don't appear to have actually resumed yet) that are completely blocking off much of the upper part of the bike side of the path. I have to say that I didn't see many pedestrians mounting their bicycles to use the bike lane when the works were blocking the pedestrian side of the path prior to PoP...
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@jdanielp - I didn't see many pedestrians mounting their bicycles to use the bike lane
Pedestrians may walk on footway, cycleway or carriageway with impunity, so no need to restrict themselves to one side or the other.
However, vehicles (motorised or otherwise) are prohibited from using most footways - the Land Reform Act did open up footways to responsible non-motorised access in many cases.
The pertinent question is therefore "is responsible cycling permitted on the pedestrian side of MMW?" It may be because this is a core path and because it isn't running alongside a carriageway. However, it might not, as the Council might consider MMW to be a road, with a full width cycle track, and an associated footway.
I've asked the council if responsible cycling is permitted, and I've asked the Uni why they have brought cyclists and pedestrians into conflict, rather than use the ample width to provide a temporary footway (e.g. on the grass).
<grump>
Robert
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If it's a cycle track + footway then this is the exact situation that the Cyclists dismount and use footway sign was designed for
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And if you can't dismount and push? I would like that sign gone...
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@Roibeard I was mostly making the above observation for the sake of satire, but I'm disappointed that the default action is to make life more difficult for cyclists and create potential conflict rather than attempting to keep life fairly easy for all so would be interested to hear your findings. I will route around to avoid MMW if it does become apparent that dismounting is the only legal option.
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@unhurt - I've also asked the Uni for their equality impact assessment and evidence that they've fulfilled their public sector equality duty on this one...
<continuing to grump>
The Uni had the gall to email out to the BUGs to proclaim that they were maintaining access for cyclists (as long as they dismounted).
I don't think I'd have given them such a hard time if they hadn't been so clueless!
Robert
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@jdanielp - I've had a complete sense of humour fail on this one, so my apologies for missing the satire and resorting to mansplaining...
Robert <Normal service will resume shortly>
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I will route around to avoid MMW if it does become apparent that dismounting is the only legal option.
An honourable approach given the high prevalence of law-scoffing on our roads these days.
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“Council might consider MMW to be a road”
MMW legally IS a road.
But I think that definition applied before the cycle lanes went in.
I have no idea if/how any extra rules were added.
Clearly CEC’s motors won’t be doing much dismounting.
As it’s peds being diverted to cycle lane I’d be VERY surprised if sign has ANY legality.
Something like ‘sorry for the inconvenience, please take extra care - pedestrians on cyclepath’ might be better.
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"Pedestrians may walk on footway, cycleway or carriageway with impunity, so no need to restrict themselves to one side or the other."
This is something that confuses me in general. If people can walk anywhere then all cycle paths and roads are effectively "shared paths". So what makes a "shared path" or "shared space"? Is it the explicit lack of footway and not any legal difference in the designation of the route itself?
If that's the case, it's probably fair and legitimate that we refer to shared spaces as "roads without pavements", and shared paths as "cycle tracks without pavements". The faster/heavier users will always seem threatening and no amount of Be Nice signs will stop that.
By extension a "on-road cycle lane" should just be called a "road without a cycle track".
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@chdot it was briefly pedestrians on a short section of the cycle side; now it is cyclists on a quite lengthy section of the pedestrian side (who knows for how long).
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I've posted this before -
The Roads (Scotland) Act 1984 defines five key terms:
Road: A way over which there is a public right of passage by any means, including the road‟s verge and any associated bridges, tunnels etc.
Carriageway: Commonly known as “the road”, the carriageway is a way which can be used by any vehicle.
Footway: Commonly known as “the pavement”, a footway is a way, which is associated with a carriageway, where right of passage is limited to foot.
Footpath: A way, which is not associated with a carriageway, where right of passage is limited to foot.
Cycle track: A way where passage is limited to bikes or bikes and foot.Generally, anyone cycling on a footway or footpath in Scotland is committing an offence under the provisions of Section 129(5) of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984. It is not an offence to cycle across a footway or footpath to access a cycle track, driveway or other land where cycling is allowed.
The issue is complicated by access rights granted to cyclists under Section 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 (“the 2003 Act”). The 2003 Act allows cycling on most land unless access is controlled by or under another enactment. This means that land reform access rights do not normally apply to roads or footways as their use is restricted under various statutes.
However, the 2003 Act does allow cycling on any path where access has not been restricted by a Traffic Regulation Order or through other legal means. In pactice, this allows cyclists to use most paths in urban parks and rural areas.
To further complicate matters, Section 7(1) of the 2003 Act states that the restriction on access rights described above does not apply where land has been designated as a “core path” under the provisions of the 2003 Act. This means that cyclists may be able to cycle on a footpath, or even a footway, designated as a core path without committing an offence. However, it is important to remember that access rights must be exercised responsibly and cyclists should
consider cycling on the carriageway (i.e. road) even if the associated footway has been designated as a core path.To make things nice and easy MMW is a road, with access restricted to bikes and foot, and a core path. The MMW Traffic Regulation Order only allows cycling on the bike side (although you can swing onto the pedestrian side to avoid an accident). Can you cycle on the pedestrian side as it is a core path? It all depends on whether this could be considered "responsible" use of your access rights. Normally, I would guess not - as there is a nice wide cycle track. A bit less clear cut when that is closed.
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