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Mapping with a 'smart' 'phone

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  • Started 13 years ago by chdot
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  1. chdot
    Admin

    The information here is written about the iPhone but other 'phones/platforms have some of the same or similar functionalities - or will have.

    The built-in Google Maps and GPS apps work together really well. Google Maps brings the map, satellite and Street View functions - just like on a normal laptop or desktop computer.

    With these you know where you are can also plan trips (Google doesn't know where most cycle paths are, but is apparently working on it).

    For high quality cycle journey planning you need Cyclestreets - or even edinburgh.cyclestreets. This is not a standalone app (one day, maybe) but is a web one which works with a normal web browser.

    On the iPhone this is Safari and it's easy to use - just touch the screen for start and finish points, press "Plan this journey" and see a choice of three routes (fastest, balanced, quietest) displayed in seconds. The programming is being done in Cambridge, partly funded by the Scottish Government.

    Your planned route come with its own web address (URL) e.g. http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/93085. A GPX file can be downloaded to use in GPS devices (and/or a KML file for viewing in Google Earth).

    In addition a link can be made to the GPX file (e.g. cyclestreets.net/journey/93085/cyclestreets93085.gpx) which can be pasted into the iPhone app Trails Lite (free) and the iPhone used to track the route. The full version of Trails costs £2.39.

    One reason for upgrading is that you can store more than one route on the iPhone. Another is that the Lite version only allows five minutes to record a new trail - but Everytrail (see below) is probably better unless you want to compare your new route directly with a previously recorded route (which might be a good idea if you are exploring somewhere new to you).

    The underlying map data comes from OpenStreetMap which is an open source map that anyone can add to or (where necessary) correct. It's even possible to add useful details (POIs - Points of Interest) using Apps.

    lLOE - iPhone Little OSM Editor is available for 59p and Mapzen (from CloudMade) is expected in the AppStore in a couple of weeks - register now for info or use the normal computer version.

    MAPZEN ARRIVED IN APPSTORE NOV 25TH

    One really great app is currently suffering from its popularity. IOSMaps puts real Ordnance Survey maps on your iPhone screen for free. Unfortunately due to daily data restrictions this 'runs out' quite early in the day. This may change with plans to open up access to 'our' data.

    If you just want to record your trip - for personal use or sharing - the best app is probably Everytrail (free) already well established on the web and available as an iPhone App and also for Android, Windows Mobile, and Blackberry 'phones.

    Not only does it record your trip (on the iPhone it may be necessary to run the iPod in the background so the app doesn't go to sleep!) in a form that can be exported and used in other GPS devices (or used for OpenStreetMap) you can take photos along the way which will appear on Everytrail.com (if you choose) or can be used by themselves.

    Another app which records your travels is FirePin (free) (also for Android). You can email a link to people even before you set off so they can follow your progress. Useful for letting people know when to put the kettle on...

    One of the few problems with iPhones is battery life. Considering all the things that they do I think battery life is good - better than most laptops in terms of hours of use. I have recently bought an add-on battery which will recharge the iPhone for a few more hours of use (it can be used while charging).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. harris
    Member

    Everytrail is good for iphone, but I think for WM http://www.sportypal.com is better

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks.

    Don't know that one.

    Seems to be available for most types of 'phones.

    Also found http://www.rungps.net on a roadcyclinguk.com forum posting - but it's something else I don't know (Windows Mobile and Google Android).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. andyw
    Member

    The new version of Google maps allows access to preconfigured routes under the "layers" option. http://www.google.com/mobile/products/maps.html#p=default

    There is also a product for Windows Mobile 6 called Global Navigator that allows you to download Google maps to your phone. Useful for travelling abroad when data charges prevent use of Google Maps. http://www.pdafun.net/

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. smsm1
    Member

    I personally use a Sony Ericsson W995 with an external bluetooth GPS (for increased accuracy and battery life over the internal GPS) and the software called TrackMyJourney. I use that process for all my mapping for OpenStreetMap and tracking the mileage on my bike.

    TMJ uses OpenStreetMap data for the map view, search and routing. You have the option of different map styles including the OpenCycleMap.

    Most of the data is downloaded over the air, so I'd recommend a phone with wifi if you go abroad (or one that can use the USB cable and use the computers net connection).

    This method is a bit more technical and not recommended for people who find using their phone difficult or complex.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. smsm1
    Member

    @andyw: The Google Maps Navigation is only available in the US. The issue is with the licensing from data suppliers.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Google Maps is pre-installed on iPhones. Not sure about "layers" - do you mean importing gpx files or??

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. spytfyre
    Member

    try sportypal.com works on most smart phones

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. spytfyre
    Member

    I finally got around to a test run
    Map with some pics from my first Everytrail including the defunct water fountain and the BBQ signage and the wonderful spraypainted slabs. They look OK and I for one would welcome them in Harrison Park too

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Really useful thing Everytrail - the way it integrates GPS and photos on smartphones.

    Photos can be added and routes altered/extended on computer afterwards too.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. spytfyre
    Member

    yeah, it will do me until sportypal sorts itself out
    although the mapping system on the everytrail site seems better, too. So I may be on everytrail from now on although it doesn't have a handy graphy of altitude or speed running side by side with distance that I can see...
    Nor does it calculate calories burned?
    I can imagine it being handy for tourists to keep track of exactly where their photos were taken on a trip around town even on open top bus...

    {edit} tell a lie - found the speed but the altitude not detected by my phone and sportypal does

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "altitude not detected by my phone"

    I never find iPhone altitude remotely accurate.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. wingpig
    Member

    I've just grudgingly upgraded from my three-year-old N95 to an Android device, so shall be testing various route-mapping things over the next wee while.

    I gave OpenGPS (free) a go on the way in this morning and have just downloaded Everytrail (free version, initially) to be able to compare them. OpenGPS can use either Google maps or OpenStreetMap whereas Everytrail seems to be limited to Google. OpenGPS allows download/export (to the SD card or via email rather than just upload-to-web) as both .kmz and .gpx (and without paying) but is only integrated with jogmap.de which seems a bit less useful. Everytrail appears to have that photo-tagging-appending feature which I haven't tested yet. If they can both run at once without arguing over who gets to use the GPS sensor I'll compare them to see which makes better use of the same data.

    OpenGPS's route from this morning looks a bit stuttery, as if my speed is increasing then decreasing in forty-metre cycles; I'll try again with the sensor query frequency at 'fine' rather than 'normal' (neither of which are quantified) as if it's missing the odd corner when walking it would definitely get a bit gappy when cycling. It's obvious enough which streets I was going down (and which side) but there's the odd bit of drift in the track which I presume to be caused by building-bounce.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. spitfire
    Member

    Have you tried Sportypal?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. wingpig
    Member

    Nup. Downloaded...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. cb
    Member

    Bikeroute for Android is good - uses Cyclestreet.net.

    Still waiting on the actual Cyclestreet app...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    I use Everytrail Pro on an Android phone. It works really well for adding photos and mapping. Search for cyclingmollie on the website. Sportypal is more training based.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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