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Quality Bike Corridor Fish Shooting

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  • Started 11 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. Roibeard and I were out this morning with our fish-rifles on the Quality Bike Corridor. Snapping pics of cars, vans and trucks parked in the bike lanes, or in loading bays outwith the designated loading times, or in parking bays outwith the parking times (the latter two are not supposed to be used in the morning and evening rush hours).

    Causewayside (having ridden the entire length in both directions) is the worst stretch, between the Majestic wine place and the Chinese supermarket. Cars and vans parked all over the shop, many of them white van men indulging in greasey spoon brekkies. But the Tesco is also a particular blackspot.

    One thing I hadn't realised is just how long the 'no cycle lane' section is heading southbound from the library. It's about half a mile. Half a mile! On a 'Quality' bike corridor?

    Got a nice shot of a taxi parked in the bike lane on one side of the road, and a works van parked on the other, with a very lacking-in-confidence young girl riding up to the works van, and stopping to let a bus overtake her before moving out to go round the van.

    Although we did also see a roadie chap, with his very young son on his own bike riding up past the Chinese supermarket. Dad rode just to the right of the lane, a hand on son's back helping him up the incline, and a BMW coming up behind and turning left actually waited till they were beyond the junction instead of shooting past and turning.

    Photos and observations will be going into a new Flickr group (taking kap's Trambles lead) for people to be able to add their own. And if tweeting about it at all using the hashtag #EdQBC. Once that's all up and running it's a case of contacting the councillors for the areas it crosses.

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  2. wingpig
    Member

    I hope there was something parked in the bay on the inside of the northbound lane protruding over the red-grit lane-bit where it angles back towards the pavement just before the garage. That's my favourite bit.

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  3. SRD
    Moderator

    I was at a bus stop on polwarth gardens last night, heading into town around 5.40. a chap came along, doubleparked his car on the other side of the road, and unloaded some groceries. I noticed that he closed the boot before going upstairs; thought he was just suspicious. I came home around 9.30 and the car was still there! I suppose double-parking there is less dangerous than on narrow streets - the bus went out around it easily. But it does show how little enforcement there is.

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  4. Roibeard
    Member

    @Wingpig - naturally, helpfully branded for ease of identification...

    Lomond Foods took a "what's it to do with you?" attitude, but Shanks/Allied Waste sound a bit more promising.

    SRD - I believe that double parking and pavement parking are still criminal offenses, so won't be picked up by the council enforcers and will be deprioritised by the police.

    There was a Porsche parked all morning as Anth and I cruised north and south - no ticket (yet), but I suppose some can afford to park and pay...

    Robert

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  5. lionfish
    Member

    "how long the 'no cycle lane' section is heading southbound from the library. It's about half a mile. Half a mile! On a 'Quality' bike corridor? "

    -- what?

    I've not been down it yet, don't have much business that end of town, but I assumed that any corridor (quality or otherwise) won't have any gaps in, let alone be completely absent for hundreds of metres.

    I did mention in an earlier post that white road paint doesn't cost that much, and I'm sure I can find a free evening sometime in the next few weeks - maybe the council just needs some citizens to help them fill in the gaps (big society and all that?)...

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  6. Yip, just checked the distance on GoogleMaps and it's 0.4-0.5 miles of a gap southbound. Quality eh?

    It's actually the Majestic Wine it's not present from.

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  7. wingpig
    Member

    "It's actually the Majestic Wine it's not present from."

    On one of my post-BikeStation-samplings of the QBC the other week one of the junk shops just south of Majestic had placed a load of crap on the road in what would have been the bike lane if one had been painted there whilst the shopkeep performed some sort of junk/furniture-maintenance/cleansing task.

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  8. sallyhinch
    Member

    Looks like Belfast is doing something similar

    http://nigreenways.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/reclaim-belfast-cycle-lanes-survey/

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  9. alibali
    Member

    Roibeard, Was told recently by my councilor that pavement parking isn't an offence and the police will not act unless the pavement is blocked. The wardens won't act unless a yellow/red line offence is being commited.
    Don't know about double parking though.

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  10. chdot
    Admin

    I think the problem with pavement parking is that 'it has to be seen taking place' - ie some bizarre legal notion that vehicle 'might' just have landed there.

    Though I thought this was being dealt with(?)

    Double parking is a police matter - they don't seem to bother unless Fire Brigade says it's a 'potential threat to life' - eg blocking tenement streets to fire engines.

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  11. Yip, on pavement parking being 'stopped' on the pavement isn't an offence, 'driving along' the pavement is. So all of those cars parked on pavements can't have anything done about them (unless they are causing a danger) because unless you (the police) have seen it driving into that position, it could simply have teleported into position.

    Nice loophole eh?

    Flickr group for the QBC is now up and running, I'll post a link when I can at lunchtime, unless someone beats me to it by searching for the group ahead of that time - all my pics from yesterday morning there at the mo, more to come from Roibeard, and then anyone else at all!

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  12. SRD
    Moderator

    I coulldn't find a 'group' but if you search for qbc as a 'tag' you get http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/qualitybikecorridor/ and here's wc's 'set'.

    Waitaminute, waitaminute, now I've found the 'group'

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  13. Muchos gracias SRD (can't access Flickr at work, tableting at lunchtime stealing some cafe's wi-fi gets me round it!).

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I wondered if it might be useful to cross-check the proposed drawings with the as-installed QBC elements with the infringements (actual or un-policed).

    All I've found so far is this set of drawings:

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/1013/quality_bike_corridor_consultation_drawings

    - are there others?

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  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Photos this evening, c. 6:30PM

    No Southbound lane. Just parked cars. No delineation on the northbound lane, which is almost invisible unless you look for it.


    White van man parked across (almost invisible) lane. Again no delineation, double yellows missing (although markings still exist on the pavement. Completely blocked entry into the ASL box. was there when I went past about 615. Still there 645ish. Of course no cooncil yellow line wardens operating after 5 most likely.


    Tesco. Regular flow of "I'm just popping into the shops" types. They could be there for 30 seconds or 30 minutes, it doesn't matter, it blocks the lane, which of course is quite allowed as it only has a single yellow on it. I thought the council had finally accepted that these lanes are completely useless and were going to stop wasting money on them?

    My rather extensive blog-post of comments on these pictures is as follows;

    Edinburgh - where a "Quality Bike Corridor" features no bike lane, but does feature a car park!

    The council are oh-so-pleased with their new "Quality Bike Corridor" (QBiC), which on paper leads a cyclist safely from the centre of Edinburgh through the Southside of the city all the way to the University campus at King's Buildings. A route already busy with cyclists, but with little more than the odd bit of paint here and there by way of infrastructure.

    I've not yet ridden the length of the QBiC, but have heard and seen online how, well, rubbish it is. So I had reason to be on it this afternoon.

    My thoughts? Well, I actually couldn't find it. There were some bits of paint and red(ish) tarmac on the road, but more of the route was either parking bays, or Edinburgh's infamous painted-cycle lanes with single yellow lines - meaning they are a car park! And the bits that do (or should) have double yellow lines? Well people are parking on them too.

    I had great hopes for this route, but it's really dreadful. It feels like the cycling budget has been used to simply resurface some bits of the carriageway (which should come out the roads budget, it's not bicycles that tear up the roads in the first place!) 's yet more money poured away by people who don't ride bikes and don't know what cyclists want or need - and ultimately it makes the environment no more safe. Personally I think it's less safe as there's a presumption amongst cyclists that because there's some paint on the road that motorists have an obligation to treat them better, and there's an assumption amongst motorists that because there's some paint on the road that cyclists must be forced into the gutter and must not be in "their" space, i.e. primary.

    Edinburgh council subscribes to the quantum theory school of bike lanes - the council genuinely believes they can paint a "cycle lane" and then also paint car parking spaces on the same piece of road and that it can be both things at once. Truly ridiculous - it just needs one car along the whole length to force you into having to pull out into a stream of traffic coming from behind - never a favourite manoeuvre for any cyclist.

    Anyone in the council who is either involved with, has supported or has used this waste of paint and tarmac as an excuse to try buy a few "green points" should be forced to ride this embarrassment and over until they accept it's useless. They should then be sent back to the city chambers and be locked in until they can come up with the goods for something that truly could be called a "quality bicycle corridor".

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  16. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Genuinely looking forward to the first councillor that dares to try and trumpet the QBC as some sort of success, hope they metaphorically* drown in a non-literal* tidal wave of "what have you been smoking?!" tweets, emails and letters.

    * = can't be too careful with one's threats online these days. If I threatened to blow up the QBiC (I amn't. and Haven't!) I might land myself in court.

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  17. gdm
    Member

    One problem is that the dear old bill can often be found perusing the shelves of the mini Tesco while one of their vans idles away on the lanes outside. Hardly inspires anyone else to heed the lanes if plod is ignoring it.

    No doubt I'm coming late to the game and everyone and their dog knows about this, but there's a Bill on pavement parking in the Parliament at the moment - http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/49061.aspx . Although it closed for initial consultation at the end of June, there's an extended deadline of 17th August for comments - dundee@joefitzpatrick.net.

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  18. cc
    Member

    While cycling home for lunch today along about a mile of the QBC I counted 53 obstructions, most of them parked motor vehicles. On the way back to work it had gone down to only 44.

    This morning there was a City Of Edinburgh Council lorry parked on double yellow lines outside Hua Xing supermarket, blocking the Quality Bike Corridor of course.

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  19. crowriver
    Member

    Aye.

    Quality.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. Schraedinger
    Member

    The cycle lane outside Evans Cycles at Exchange Place/Semple St has had plenty of cars parked in it most times I go by it at the weekends as people drop off/collect bikes.

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  21. Roibeard
    Member

    I've just had Council confirmation that the no loading at any time on Ratcliffe Terrace (northbound) is incorrect, and should have just been "no loading at peak hours" (single kerb stripe, not double) - I think the no parking at any time remains (but have asked).

    Of course, given that the supermarket "loads" up to four vans at a time, all day, everyday, we're back to that stretch of QBiC cycle lane being unusable in any case...

    <sigh>

    Robert

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    When is parking not parking? When it's loading.

    Usual council doublethink that makes cycling facilities not worth the paint and red chips they're made out of.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. Dave
    Member

    A novel idea would be to campaign to extend the "in the road" section of cycle path up past the supermarket, on the basis that it's always full of illegally parked/loading vehicles anyway.

    Could also extend down past the locksmith, who seems to believe that by divine right he can park on the corner of a busy junction on double yellows whenever he pleases too.

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  24. recombodna
    Member

    I think I'm past he point of being annoyed at cars parked in the cycle lane. I'm annoyed that the lane is there in the first place. If the council can't make a bike lane that you can't park in then what's the point of wasting public money on one at all. It's just patronising people who ride bicycles. It's not fit for purpose and until we can have mandatory cycle lanes there is no point in them being there at all.

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  25. mgj
    Member

    Absolutely.

    Although the response should be to remove the illegally parked vehicles, not change the rules so that they can park there (cf the bus lanes).

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  26. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Ah but they're not parked there, are they? Their empty vehicles parked abandoned outside and blocking the cycle lane are only loading there. Spot the difference? No, neither did I.

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  27. Arellcat
    Moderator

    When is parking not parking? When it's loading.

    Indeed; and indeed, frustratingly so. And there's 'waiting' too.

    There was some discussion of this very matter on Chris Rust's blog, a couple of years ago.

    Seven League Boots: Companies that endanger cyclists

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. I saw something (on Facebook I tihnk) posted by SRD about paper cups being used to line a bike lane and how even that little marking was enough to make drivers avoid the lane.

    Wondering about trying this on the Missoni lane (not blocking the cut in obviously, that would be pointless, but the 10-20m section leading up to the lights - I rode it again this morning and it was as flouted as ever).

    Film it one day for 20 minutes or so (do a nice time lapse); then back the following day with cups in place (from really early so as few motorists as possible see you putting them in place). I'm going to bet that Edinburgh drivers will simply go straight over them.

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  29. fimm
    Member

    Interesting idea - but wouldn't the passing draft from the first vehicle simply blow all the cups around? Fill them with water?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    Better choose a windless day then or the cups will be halfway down the mound in a matter of minutes.

    Windless day. In Edinburgh. Good luck!

    Posted 11 years ago #

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