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Article on the Beeb about their programme on tonight on BBC1 at 8pm.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18863293
Could be interesting though I had never actually considered Lucozade Sport to be an actual sports drink before. I don't consider Pumas (or Nikes or whatever) to be proper running shoes either so we will see if they destroy some of my best loved sports items or just the ones I wouldn't touch with a barge pole to begin with!
Bet they don't dare tackle cycling headgear....
Watch on iPlayer or during the Wiggins prog adverts??
They never needed artificial aids back in Tommy Simpsons day - oh, hang on............
I swither on nerdrage against the companies for being so dishonest, nerdrage against the customers for being so gullible, and finding it amusing in the deepfried pizza + Diet Coke mould.
It's probably not about sugar and protein drinks - the High5 and Energy Bar type products - but the more esoteric compounds, brands and attendant claims/marketing: colostrum, that sort of thing. Personally I drew the line at adding dessert spoons of creatine monohydrate to meals and glycerine to water. Yeuch.
Or drinking bicarbonate of soda, yuuurgghhh!
Colostrum as in what's in breast milk for the first few days? Eeek.
Of course Lucozade Sport is a sports drink. Daley Thompson used to advertise it so it must be.
What I found interesting was watching Graham Obree advocating sports jam sandwiches :-)), of course after that the programme wandered off into "isn't it shocking Lucozade has sugar in" (does anyone else actually read ingredients??) so I switched over to ITV4 to watch the tail end of the Bradley Wiggins prog, then realised I had just had a choice of tv programmes with famous cyclists featured :-o
As was said earlier about an entirely different subject (on another thread), we've come a long way...
Aye, I liked the jeely pieces! I also liked the guy who just laughed uncontrollably when asked about "carbohydrate free sports drinks". I mean that says it all really!
It didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know but I am pretty surprised at how popular these drinks are with people who don't really need them, especially wee kids. The marketing must be very effective.
Obree's training manual section on food and nutrition very good, sensible and down to earth. He advocates that if you can't get what you need from your regular meals, it's your basic diet that is at fault and no amount of supplements is going to change that.
He recommends carrying a block of marzipan in your pocket for sugar on the go, as well as bananas. He also says prepare a good meal before you go out, so you've got something of health and nutritional value to tuck into when you get home ravenous. Oh and also, not to waste your money on any product that promises to boost your performance...
I think I will watch the BBC programme now!
Marzipan! I didn't think Obree could go any further up in my estimation, but he just did. Again.
I've come round to a combination of Stroopwafels and Kendal Mint Cake (good for climbing) for energy and one of those minerally rehdyration tablets in one bidon and water in the other. I'll be looking into the marzipan options now though. Is there a marzipan brand specifcally formulated for marzipan? ;-)
None of this is intended to help me "bulk up" or "train harder for longer" though, just to keep going at a decent lick.
Yes indeed, if you are going for hours you have to have some sort of food intake to avoid hitting the wall.
One thing they bypassed was with the study to see whether sports drinks benefited marathon runners. They said that it did not make any difference whether they had a sports drink or water during the race but they did not mention whether the water drinkers were taking on and food. I seriously doubt that anyone runs marathons with NO sustenance whatsoever.
I didn't manage to see it yet as it wasn't up on iplayer last night.
When they meant "sports drink" did they mean an electrolyte thing or a sugar/glucose based "energy" drink? I don't subscribe to the latter, if I need energy I'll eat something, however if you're on the sweat you're going to need to get some salts from somewhere (anyone cycling far on a hot, sunny day will have found their jersey / cap / gloves / socks / helmet straps / forehead etc. encrusted in a rhime of salt) and if you only drink water all you are doing is further diluting the bloodstream, no?
They mean the ones you get in supermarkets, Gatorade, Lucozade Sport, that type of thing. I tend to get the ones that come in a bucket and you make it up as you need it and carry one bottle of that and one bottle of water. I don't use it running since I only have a platypus and I don't want a separate bottle.
They did talk about electrolyte drinks too, they only have a tiny amount of salt in them, not enough to make any real difference.
I too found the South African Professor's reaction when asked about 'diet' or 'light' sports drinks hilarious.
It was on in the background, but the jist of what I heard was "big companies in trying to make lots of money shock"...
They did talk about electrolyte drinks too, they only have a tiny amount of salt in them, not enough to make any real difference.
I think that was the same as the diet drinks was it not? Though my attention might have wandered and I missed something. These were the sports drinks aimed at people who do not need sports drinks. Since they don't need carbs they don't really need salts either!
I really only use specific sports powders etc for recovery/repair after a tough training session, but always alongside an actual food source etc. It's just sometimes a bit hard to get 20-30g of protein into you between gym/work/home in enough time to be of use.
A fantastic sugar source is solid blocks of jelly. SOO much sugar but it doesn't like the wet too much.
Also on long rides I need an isotonic tablet as I do tend to not realise how much I've sweated out. This was really brought home by a race where after a 9 mile run and a 45 mile hard hill climbing cycle I had to walk like john wayne for the final 1 mile as I couldn't straighten my legs without them cramping.
The fact of it is - you need carbohydrate and protein. When I am very poor/very busy I struggle to get enough protein in me so use some stocks of powder I have. Sometimes you need a boost and lucozade is ok for that but it's not really a sports drink. Also non-caloried sports drink = water.
"These were the sports drinks aimed at people who do not need sports drinks. Since they don't need carbs they don't really need salts either"
Yes, in the fact that they concentrated on two of the largest producers Lucozade, and Gatorade, which are consumed largely by kids.
No, in that the general message I took though was that there 'may' be a tiny benefit for elite athletes, but for Joe Bloggs going to the gym for a couple of hours, 3 times a week there is no benefit whatsoever. It takes ~2hrs before the glycogen in your muscles runs out, and at that point a banana is as efficient way to replenish as anything.
They gave plenty of examples of groups of people who do far more physical activity than most (special forces troops etc) who only use water. When the US Army did large scale tests on water v carb drink there was no real difference in performance.
Also nice to see them tackling the ridiculous notion that you need to constantly drink stupid amounts of water. I never bought that one, not for a second! How does having to keep stopping to go to the toilet improve your performance? Rather alarming that people are actually dying from it. I wonder if that research was sponsored by mineral water companies??
During a hard 2hr session a couple of years ago I went down with heat stress/dehydration. Never again, if I'm out for longer than about an hour and a half I take one bottle of (bucket powder mix) electrolyte carb drink and one of water, doesn't make me need the loo as it's pouring out of me through my skin! (Though I do wonder if that is an after effect of the heat stress). :-/
I only have a platypus
How does that work, do you just sook the fur, or do you have to wring it out?
I too found the South African Professor's reaction when asked about 'diet' or 'light' sports drinks hilarious.
I seem to recall it was the British Athletics squad that were used in advertising Lucozade light, or whatever it was called, when it first came out. I struggled to comprehend what a low-calorie energy drink could achieve.
For a long cycle I will have 1 bottle of water and 1 with a fizzy tablet isotonic thing in it - I prefer the tablets to the powder as it's less mess and easier to get the dose correct and easier to carry some spare tablets with you than a bucket of powder and the measuring spoon! I tried the NUUN green tea flavoured ones and they are truly awful, taste like melted plastic.
I love bananas, but can't carry enough of them to be sole source of food. Jelly babies are good and cheap (compare their composition with those of a gel and they are almost identical). Squishy foods like jelly, marzipan, fig rolls, jelly babies etc. are great because you can eat them easily on the hoof, just grabbing a handful and shoving it in your mouth without too much need to chew and without any powdery bits to choke on.
I've almost come off the bike before choking on one of those "sports bars" they sell in bike shops that have oats cut into the mix. I tried some date-based bars recently which were really good, and of a consistency that was chewy enough to be good on the go. Things in packets (or individually wrapped) are good to help you work out how much you have been eating and to set portion size.
"How does that work, do you just sook the fur, or do you have to wring it out?"
Nah, he just carries the water for me. ;-)
For "touring" I like oaty breakfast bars, enough calories but not so sugary I get a sugar rush and crash.
On one longer off road race I used jelly baby/other sweet every 15 minutes, something substantial every 1/2 an hour a drink of water/isotonic every 20 minutes. This kept me flying for the whole thing (35km off road cycle + mountain half marathon) Main thing I was trying to do was avoid crashing mentally.
very good point, ARobComp - mental nutrition is so frequently overlooked!
Clif do a great bar which is almost identical to rice crispie mars bar cake and it is VEGAN. What I want is savoury. Tesco used to do a normandy butter biscuit with edge dipped in salt, nice and big, three to a packet, three packets in the box. I used to put a packet in my bento box with the seal ripped for access. bananas also good but as I understand banana-ology as explained to me by Prof Bananaman - you need a biscuit with your banana so that it can be digested quicker
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