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  1. chdot
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  2. kaputnik
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-26323232

    Borders Railway: Price and times of services revealed

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    Here's the full table of regulated single fares, first and last trains, and also 'suggestions' as to what return fares would cost at different times of day (not regulated by ministers):

    http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/rail/rail-improvements/borders

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. amir
    Member

    The fares aren't very competitive with bus fares for travel from Midlothian to Edinburgh. £1.50 (current) vs £4.30 to £5.20

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. crowriver
    Member

    Seem pretty similar to the fares for places like Uphall, Livingston, etc. I presume off-peak tickets will be quite reasonably priced. As you say though, not competitive with LB fares (who don't run to West Lothian but do to Midlothian and East Lothian).

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. fimm
    Member

    Train will be quicker, though? It may be cheaper to take the bus rather than the train to Livingston but the bus takes ages.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. amir
    Member

    The First bus x95 is pretty quick due to not stopping - but this is threatened by the railway. We'll see. The important thing is that all those extra people that have moved into the new housing along the line actually leave their cars at home.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. steveo
    Member

    Regulated fares to Gala/Tweedbank are about twice the fuel cost so unless my wife really needed the car I'd still end up driving down. For me the Off Peak fares will have to be much cheaper and not just a day return. But I'm sure it will suit others.

    Thats before adding the ride to town and the ride from the other end onto the hardly impressive time. Not to mention having the risk of not getting my bike on the train.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "The important thing is that all those extra people that have moved into the new housing along the line actually leave their cars at home."

    I wonder if anyone will be monitoring this(?)

    I expect a lot of people will still think 'I've got a car so the only cost is fuel - and that's less than the train fare'.

    "
    intended to stimulate new residential development, populating these districts with middle class commuters

    "

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
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    There's a lot of housing going in just outside Gorebridge around Arniston on old colliery land (think some of it is on the "burning bing" - hope they've put that out once and for all!). They are very handily located for the station.

    Let's not forget it's not all about journeys to / from Edinburgh, the railway also links up Midlothian towns and those in the Borders for local travel.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. chdot
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    "
    The project will also include a new station at Shawfair, which is a key component for the delivery of the development of new housing and employment in South-East Edinburgh

    "

    http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/project/our-partners.aspx

    There have many plans for many years for the new Shawfair 'settlement'.

    Housebuilders lost interest as the railway delivery timetable slipped.

    Plans included lots of walk/cycle routes connecting into Edinburgh.

    Presumably some of it will get built(?)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
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    Re: Shawfair, when the railway opens it's going to be a bit of a station in the middle of nowhere, is it not? Can see it being used as a park-and-ride or just as a "park".

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. chdot
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  14. chdot
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  15. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    The trackbed from Tynehead bridge last weekend

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. neddie
    Member

    If only they'd thought to build a cycle track alongside. Would've cost them nothing

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    Would've cost them nothing

    Except perhaps the fence they would have had to install to separate the path from the tracks? Presume no fence going up otherwise...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Nice to see the trackbed without all the mud.

    They'd be loathe to put a cycle lane alongside as it would demonstrate that the planned service is so unadventurous in nature that it's likely to be quicker and more convenient by bike!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. chdot
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  20. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Work in progress at Newtongrange.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Work on the line at Borthwick


    This is the line heading towards Tynehead (through the gap in the trees on the horizon) and Fala.


    This is the line heading towards Gorebridge.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/fears-over-trains-on-new-borders-railway.23915662

    CAMPAIGNERS have demanded trains used on the new Borders rail line must be refurbished to the standard of inter-city stock... ...Simon Walton, the group's chairman, said: "We had hoped to see the inter-city Class 170 units deployed on the Borders Railway, but it would appear 158s are now to be used.

    " If that is the case, it is essential these are properly refurbished like those serving the scenic Highland routes. That means brighter interiors, appropriate luggage space and bicycle facilities, and a good seat-to-window match to allow the scenery to be fully appreciated by visitors.

    Good to see someone without a "vested interest" campaigning for good cycle facilities.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    News updates here.

    Edinburgh Bypass bridge completed; A7 bridge at Heriot nearly done; Shawfair station under construction; Redbridge viaduct path re-opened; two other bridges completed.

    Project timeline.

    A lot going on. I must admit I'm really looking forward to travelling on this new railway when it opens next year...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. kaputnik
    Moderator

    It's nice that if you let the people who know how to build a railway and don't let the politicians meddle too much with them that they can actually get on and build it.

    While the ambition of the Borders railway is rather underwhelming and the planned service is pretty parochial, it should at least demonstrate what can be done. I too look forward to using it and exploring bits of the country I might never end up getting to.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Some details of planned developments (partly) due to reinstating the railway -

    http://midlothian-consult.objective.co.uk/portal/planningpolicy/mldp/mir?pointId=1367310339926

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. kaputnik
    Moderator

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/extending-and-developing-scotland-s-rail-network-1-3485214

    Good article by David Spaven on re-instating the service on the mothballed Levenmouth line.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    From link -

    "

    While monumental sums are to be thrown at new roads in the coming years – £3 billion for the A9 and £3bn for the A96, for example – the level of government ambition for new railways in Scotland is modest. With the completion of the Borders Railway (£300 million) in 2015, the only new railway in prospect is a short link to Glasgow airport, and this will be little comfort to some very substantial Scottish towns which are still entirely dependent on road transport – Fraserburgh, Hawick, Peterhead and St Andrews to name just a few.

    "

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    "

    THE first rails have been laid on the Borders Railway, which is now just over a year away from re-opening after a gap of 46 years.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/first-tracks-laid-down-on-borders-railway-1-3508602

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. acsimpson
    Member

    It's only taken the Scotsman a week to notice:

    http://www.globalrailnews.com/2014/08/06/borders-railway-gets-its-first-track/

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. PS
    Member

    To be fair to the Scotsman, they noticed the press release immediately and were very quick in rejigging and paraphrasing it:
    Major milestone reached as slab trak laid in Bowshank

    #hownewsworks

    Posted 10 years ago #

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