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Cycling Nirvana?

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  • Started 12 years ago by Roibeard
  • Latest reply from sallyhinch

  1. Roibeard
    Member

    As hinted in the I had a lovely ride today, thank you thread, my wife and I abandoned the kids at their grandparents (think Paddington with note), and headed off on our first long tour last week.

    Where did we go?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/17046983@N00/7731492190/sizes/m/in/photostream/

    [Don't click through if you wish to keep guessing!]

    There was dedicated segregated infrastructure and line segregation on shared paths (like MMW), except with drivers having to give way at junctions.

    The canal paths were wider than the Innocent Railway, and tarmac'd for 20 miles between towns. The railway path was even wider...

    Drivers gave way where they should, and even where they had priority, choose instead to give way to cyclists...

    Where there was no cycle infrastructure, overtaking was text book, with drivers waiting behind even slow cyclists (<6 mph uphill) until it was safe to pass, and crossing fully to the other side of the road to make the pass. Those passing were driving buses, lorries, private hire cars or even hot hatches!

    The closest passes we had wouldn't have warranted the name in Edinburgh - they were so slow/distant that no turbulence was ever felt. The one surprise pass was from a cyclist...

    Standing at a crossroads in the rain, a driver stopped and asked if we were lost - we said "no, just looking for a B&B". To which they gave us precise directions to the nearest, unsigned B&B.

    Oh, and drivers did pull alongside, wound down their windows and... complimented the bike! Yes, repeatedly...

    The landlady of the unadvertised B&B took one look at us, drenched, in the rain, and immediately commanded that we bring the sodden bike into the house.

    And for those guessing wrong, our highest point was 400m, over a mountain pass, which rules out the Netherlands (323m) - the peak above us was at 850m. Oh, and in dodgy cycling territory, the descent did take up more than our fair share of the road on the hairpins, and even with judicious braking reached 44mph.

    Not once did we hear a horn, until back in Edinburgh when the driver behind the family peleton didn't overtake where it was clear and those behind him didn't overtake either but instead chose to hoot...

    Locals didn't seem to bother with locking bikes at all, just leaving them lying against shop windows as they got their messages.

    It may give the game away to say that new drivers are restricted by law to a maximum of 45 mph for a year after passing their test.

    We covered about 35 miles per day for 6 days, about 250 miles including cycling to and from stations (yes, sneaked the Pino on to trains, disguised as a load bike!).

    One disclaimer though - the Pino may have warranted more respect than other cycles, I can't rule that out, although I've not observed that in Central Scotland.

    Perhaps it's obvious, but where in the world were we?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/17046983@N00/7731492190/in/photostream

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. amir
    Member

    Having cheated, I realise that I may have tweeted a photo of this particular facility from my travels a wee while ago.

    I am looking forward to hear more about this, once the veil of secrecy has been removed.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Roibeard
    Member

    Let's try the image posting again...


    Segregated infrastructure by Roibeard, on Flickr

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Min
    Member

    That is a suprise. I thought that country hated cyclists even more than here.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. Kim
    Member

    Now that is a "Quality Bike Corridor", why can't we have that in Edinburgh?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Uberuce
    Member

    That sounds even better than my week up in the Highlands. The drivers were equally lovely and the need for bike parking as minimal, but there wasn't a great deal of cycle structure except on Skye, which had a couple of dozen miles of shared use pavement. That was let down by people's habit of leaving their bins out for it on collection day, which would have been problematic if you weren't on a single upright.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. minus six
    Member

    Have cycled the coastline, from Belfast right round to Derry, then down to Donegal then back east via Enniskillen etc for ferry home.

    No problems on the roads, other than a raging bull having escaped his field at Ballykelly.

    Unlike Scotland, stealth camping along the way wasn't always straightforward, and on the way back inland eastbound, was forced to rely upon the kindness of strangers.

    There weren't any official campsites anywhere at all, but this was back in March 2004, times have changed since, i expect.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. lionfish
    Member

    @Uber: I wasn't so keen on the drivers on Skye. The main road was very busy when we were there (peak season) and quite windy, making it difficult for drivers to pass us. :/

    @Rol: I'm surprised by the NE result! Didn't they make helmets mandatory a while ago? (don't mean to start the helmet thing, but to me it implied they had a poor attitude to cyclists - obviously I was mistaken!).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Roibeard
    Member

    Yes indeed folks, this cycling nirvana is in the UK (still, for the moment, etc)...

    We cycled in from Belfast, through the Ards penninsula to Newcastle, then across the Mournes (finding every hill on the way - must have words with the routeplanner...), up the Newry canal to Portadown, then back along the Lagan to Belfast.

    Perhaps not too many miles of segregated infrastructure, but there was some excellent stuff - a similar stretch to the above (on the Lagan near Stranmillis), is also present from the docks into Belfast city centre. That stretch has side roads and entrance ways where the cycle lane has priority.

    Similarly the Comber Greenway (ex-railway path, 9 miles) was beautifully wide and smooth, as was the Newry canal (Newry to Portadown, 20 miles). Granted some of that became single track road in places, as folk live in the lock keepers cottages and work farms next to the canal. These stretches with motorised access were noticeably more worn, which just shows what (heavy) vehicles can do to tarmac.

    I was continually surprised, as I expected the Newry canal and Lagan sections to be like our canal paths, not to be wide, continental style cycle roads - some paths in Craigavon even had dashed lines down the centre and as well as a solid line for the pedestrian lane.

    The proper segregation shown above clearly can be made to work in UK law, although perhaps Northern Ireland has a different set of guidelines.

    We did, however, see advisory cycle lanes being used as legal and illegal parking, which perhaps explains the mandatory cycle lanes having physical separation. And the Nirvana does have pixies leprechauns - we picked up the requisite glass souvenir in Craigavon.

    My mum (from Enniskillen) feared that we'd leave her with three orphans - friends were telling her how bad the driving was "at home", so I was expecting the worst, but found some of the best around. Perhaps it was the novelty of the Pino, but we had no problems at all (bar the interminable hills I'd routed to avoid the main road round the Mournes) - no wonder Sustrans expect to use the A road for some of that stretch...

    As for the helmet bill, it ran out of time last year.

    I'm glad I pictured the Stranmillis section, as on Saturday the route back to the docks was occupied by another minority group - lorries and cars had climbed the kerbs to park on the cycle path meaning we had to resort to the pavement rather than "salmon" up the one way street.

    I'll pop up some routes and more descriptions of sections if I manage to work out the GPS tracking thingy...

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Roibeard
    Member

    Interestingly enough, Sally reports a different experience in Newcastle - perhaps it was the Pino effect after all...

    :-(

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. sallyhinch
    Member

    Ah, we were on the main roads around Newcastle, avoiding the hills! The Brompton doesn't really do hills, at least not with this rider on it...

    On the whole I'd describe NI drivers (around Newcastle at least) as basically courteous but clueless - close passes never felt malicious, just as if the inconvenient cyclist wasn't really taking up any road width at all

    Posted 12 years ago #

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