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  1. chdot
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    “drops in tail pipe emissions could save the NHS budget which would offset some of the duty incomes“

    Mmm, wonder if NHS will be willing/able to quantify that. Not likely they’ll be saying ‘we have a bit of reduction in spending due to better air quality, please give us less money’.

    HOWEVER

    Plenty of ways to save NHS expenditure due to motors.

    Enforce speed limits and traffic offences generally, ban bad drivers, properly enable walking and cycling, make drivers/insurance companies pay for complete cost of ‘accidents’.

    Posted 6 months ago #

  2. steveo
    Member

    no, I did say they'll not do it :)

    Posted 6 months ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

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    GRST’s project to build and recycle lithium-ion batteries in a cleaner and more sustainable way.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/07/greener-electric-car-batteries-among-prince-william-1m-earthshot-winners

    Posted 6 months ago #

  4. neddie
    Member

    a reduction of costs due to better health outcomes from drops in tail pipe emissions could save the NHS budget which would offset some of the duty incomes

    This is next-level batshit crazy unsubstantiated nonsense, worthy of a Trump financials legal trial. More mental gymnastics to justify driving.

    If driving becomes cheaper because of EVs, Jevon's paradox says that people will do more driving. At a population level, that increase in driving will also increase all of the poor driving-related health outcomes, namely:- death and injury from crashes; obesity; social isolation and mental health issues; cancers, diabetes and diseases of all types due to lack of exercise; to name but a few. And increased pollution from tyre wear which is now a more significant source of particulates than the tailpipe.

    All of which will undoubtably increase the burden on the already overstretched NHS

    Posted 6 months ago #

  5. steveo
    Member

    Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Shush the adults are talking

    Posted 6 months ago #

  6. neddie
    Member

    It feels uncomfortable doesn't it, knowing your driving causes harm to people and nature? Time for it to be seen as antisocial as smoking

    Posted 6 months ago #

  7. steveo
    Member

    You are a tiresome bore.

    Posted 6 months ago #

  8. LaidBack
    Member

    Congestion charge on trains being removed in Scotland has resulted in more passengers at peak time. Overcrowding in Fife I hear? So in some ways it will put off people using train or some might use bus or opt to drive again.
    (Post on rail thread with the complexities of multiple companies and ticket types.)

    Posted 6 months ago #

  9. steveo
    Member

    Went through to GLQ last week, missed the earlier train but still arrived for 9 but the train wasn't that busy, didn't even get busy at the last few stops. I used to go through more regularly but on the EDP train and it got pretty packed at that time by the greater Glasgow stops.

    Posted 6 months ago #

  10. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "Overcrowding in Fife I hear?"

    Seems to be less carriages than normal for the last few weeks. Worse on way home, than on the way in. Often just 2 or 3 carraiges where there was 5 or 6, so standing room only.

    Anecdotaly doesn't feel like there's a lot more people on the trains.

    I'm sure some new poeple have tried, had to stand all the way home and thought sod that, back to the car.

    Posted 6 months ago #

  11. chdot
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    The OBR has radically reduced its expectations for the take-up of electric vehicles in the UK over the next seven years, and warned that the government’s decision to delay the ban on new petrol and diesel car sales from 2030 to 2035 may dissuade car buyers to go electric.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/nov/22/jeremy-hunt-autumn-statement-conservatives-labour-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-pmqs-uk-economy-politics-latest-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-655e2a008f084b3cead48aab#block-655e2a008f084b3cead48aab

    Posted 5 months ago #

  12. chdot
    Admin

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    Investment in the factory could reach as much as £1bn, with significant government subsidy expected.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/23/nissan-expected-to-secure-uks-largest-car-plant-with-two-new-ev-models

    Posted 5 months ago #

  13. LaidBack
    Member

    Post Brexit win for Sunderland. Funny how things work out.
    Meanwhile Grangemouth is going to take a hit - or maybe Ratcliffe just looking for some more government investment (aka subsidy)?

    Posted 5 months ago #

  14. neddie
    Member

    We’re not gonna make it, are we?

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/24/motor-emissions-could-have-fallen-without-suv-trend-report?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Posted 5 months ago #

  15. gembo
    Member

    Petrochemical capitalist funded vendor : Would you like to buy this car, it doesn’t actually fit when you drive it down the street as it is too big, but everyone seems to be buying them?

    Individual denying their actions are linked to climate change: Yes please.

    Posted 5 months ago #

  16. LaidBack
    Member

    EVs meet E-bikes at RAI exhibition hall in NL.

    International Cargo Bike event has combined with British Volt's Fully Charged 'all things electric' in Amsterdam.
    Jos Sluijsmans from ICBF reckons it's a good chance to let EV fans see other types of mobility.
    However be warned that the promo video here contains many things that are not compatible with spieces survival.
    Event video (may have stuff from last year but similar to this year).
    https://youtu.be/KytD3VmGIec?si=3ZzWYWMZJU-STNSQ

    Event itself:
    https://eu.fullycharged.live/?cargobikefest

    Bike fest has got a good pdf mag link.

    20,000 visitors at these events so may help to get e-cargo noticed. Personally I find the whole thing a bit too power hungry in a world that really needs more intelligent ways to use what we have.

    Posted 5 months ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

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    The European Commission has hatched confidential Plan B proposals to “cushion” the impact of a looming 10% tariff on imports and exports of electric vehicles, the Guardian has learned.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/29/eu-plans-mitigate-impact-10-per-cent-tariff-on-electric-vehicles-2024

    Posted 5 months ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

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    The verdict

    The data we have leaves little doubt that resource extraction will be significantly lower for electric cars compared with their petrol or diesel equivalents as recycling increases.

    And neither do the green credentials of electric cars absolve the buyers of battery minerals of responsibility for abuses in the supply chain. Dummett said he hopes the mining industy will “use this moment to reform itself”.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/01/do-electric-cars-have-problem-mining-for-minerals

    Posted 5 months ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

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    The cabinet member for city management and air quality, Cllr Paul Dimoldenberg, said bringing charges in line with petrol cars was fair and that would not disincentivise people from going electric.

    But Conservative councillor Laila Cunningham told him: “I had an electric car.

    “When you don’t own a home, or have a driveway, there is very little incentive to have an electric car.

    “It is hard to find a bay. It is expensive to charge. One of the main incentives is that you can go into central London and pay hardly any parking charges.

    “That was a huge, massive, incentive. People to me would be like ‘let’s ride in your EV and go into central London’.

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    https://www.westminsterextra.co.uk/article/sparks-fly-over-labours-hike-in-ev-charges

    Posted 5 months ago #

  20. chdot
    Admin

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    CARLTON REID

    DEC 12, 2023 8:00 AM

    Panasonic’s New Powder-Powered Batteries Will Supercharge EVs

    A company working with Tesla’s main US battery supplier has silicon-based tech that could soon give electric cars 500-mile ranges and charge refills in just 10 minutes.

    “

    https://www.wired.com/story/panasonic-powder-powered-silicone-ev-batteries/

    Posted 5 months ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

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    Etc. has announced its first installation location in East Lothian, Scotland, with further pilots to roll out across the UK in the coming months.

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    https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-group-pilot-powers-up-first-ev-charger-repurposed-from-street-cabinet/

    Posted 4 months ago #

  22. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I guess that's been 3 months now of electric car ownership. Last update as I think it's pretty normal and boring now.

    The car is fine, the smaller car is great, and comfy, though was a nuisance once as we had to take two trips to tip instead of one. Car size will be fine for the 99% of journeys reaining to be taken this year, but a small annoyance none the less.

    The big difference as noted before if fuel cost, it now costs £200 per month for us to run the electric and gas in the house, and also charge the car (£60 more per month than pre car). Before the car was taking £150 - £200 per month in fuel alone.

    TBF I'm also less likely to take my midlife crisis out for errands as it is so expensive to run in comparison - £30 in petrol gets me around 120 miles where a £3 charge will get the same 120 miles.
    So my car only really gets used for day trips now in nice weather, it's 15 years old now, so that's fine as I plan to still have it in another 15 years and although the body may disintigrate without intervention, the engine should be just fine.

    Posted 4 months ago #

  23. neddie
    Member

    Dark PR

    In ‘Dark PR’, @EnnisGrant outlines nine devious frames the automotive industry uses to obscure millions of injuries and deaths caused by its products; influencing how we process and discuss the issue and ultimately preventing meaningful political action.

    They are as follows... thread...

    https://x.com/modacitylife/status/1746285680009851332?s=20

    Posted 4 months ago #

  24. neddie
    Member

    Full thread can be read here: http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21443

    Posted 4 months ago #

  25. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/19/tesla-battery-dying-cold-weather-charging-winter

    Posted 3 months ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

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    When Steve Jessop’s electric Hyundai car was stolen outside his west London house on a rainy day earlier this month, he appealed to neighbours for potential footage of the crime.

    He quickly secured a CCTV video and was stunned at the ease with which his car had been taken. A hooded figure approached it, opened the doors without forced entry, started the engine and drove off.

    Jessop’s car had gone in 20 seconds. The keys to his Hyundai Ioniq 5 were still inside his house and there was no sign of an accomplice.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/feb/24/smart-keys-car-crime-thieves-hi-tech-arms-race

    From above

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    The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) said that rising theft was not caused by alleged failures in car security, but organised crime groups. The SMMT said vehicle security was a “crucial priority” for the industry, which was working to reduce vehicle theft, but that it was in an “arms race” against criminals.

    “

    So, criminal do crime…

    Posted 2 months ago #

  27. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/27/apple-cancels-electric-car-layoffs

    Posted 2 months ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/terror-m62-police-cars-swarm-28767304

    Posted 2 months ago #

  29. mcairney
    Member

    The whole 'keyless' entry thing always seemed like a solution looking for a problem to me (and I say that as the owner of a car with said 'feature')

    Posted 2 months ago #

  30. chdot
    Admin

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    Drivers warned over new car tax bands as some may pay 'three times more'

    Those with electric cars are due to begin paying a Vehicle Excise Duty from next year

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    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/drivers-warned-over-new-car-32324867.amp

    Posted 2 months ago #

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