Down near Canonmills yesterday a pedestrian was knocked down by a cyclist. Both apparently needed medical attention.
Its not clear at all who was at fault.
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Pedestrian down
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Posted 12 years ago #
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Ouch, never good.
Whereabouts in Canonmills? Road or pavement? I've never particularly liked riding around the junctions down there.
EDIT: And if anything it's even less pedestrian-friendly
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Its second hand information but it appears the pedestrian was crossing the road near some temporary traffic lights and was hit. From what I've heard its really not clear if there was a greenman on or not.
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The junctions there and with broughton road are a mess because of gas replacement at the moment. Ive seen alot of cars driving through on red or blocking the junction exit (esp on broughton road) as they feel they had to wait so long. this means the pedestrians etc don't have a clear idea of when to cross and may have contributed here.
The cycle cut through on eyre place is also blocked by a great pile of dumped fencing etc from these works.Posted 12 years ago # -
There is no ped phase there. Pedestrians are almost never taken into account when temporary traffic lights go in and those works have been there for weeks and move about on an almost daily basis.
I hope they will both be okay soon.
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"Pedestrians are almost never taken into account when temporary traffic lights go in"
Sadly true. Even when putting those temporary lights and works in removes a crossing. Ridiculous state of affairs.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Agreed, it's disgraceful that no temporary pedestrian crossings have been put in at this busy, busy junction.
Hope the infrastructure company, the gas board or the cooncil will be Injury Lawyered 4 U.
Posted 12 years ago # -
Might paint a temp zebra crossing outside the shop as a protest.
Who is in?
Posted 12 years ago # -
Absolutely brilliant!
Posted 12 years ago # -
*hands up* I'm in
I live just round the corner - it's a nightmare to cross the junction with a child in a buggy.
May I suggest some liquid chalk spray for non-destructive temporary markings?
Posted 12 years ago # -
Ooh that sounds just the thing.
What sort of trouble could we get in?
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Obstructing the carriageway? Breach of the peace? Or even just Behaviour Likely To Cause A Breach Of The Peace (ie. doing something the police don't like).
I'm sure there are more a policeman could think of if so minded...
Posted 12 years ago # -
I'd suggest doing it in the wee small hours...
Posted 12 years ago # -
There is a manual that you can download giving clear information on the application of Chapter 8 signing of road works - Chapter 8 Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions - the Road Signs Manual (Chapter 3 Instructions - including diagram 966 - that most hated sign - Chapter 4 Warnings Chapter 5 Road Markings)
In most cases the signage applied on urban and non motorway roads is not up to standard and renders the contractor and client liable to prosecution, and lays them open to an HSAW charge of failure to deliver the required duty of care. I suspect the enforcement will generally be encumbent on the Roads Authority, although the Police might take an interest in serious cases
The guide http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.dft.gov.uk%2Fpublications%2Fstreet-works-safety%2Fsafety-street-works-code.pdf&ei=72kzULGEEZOyhAf024DACg&usg=AFQjCNHkfGE2AeGBMd0cg1lNN6o7eMHGsQ&cad=rja includes diagrams and instructions on diverting pedestrian traffic and placing ramps for wheelchair users and prams.
One essential detail is that the works should have on display the details and contact number(s) for the person(s) responsible for the work. Ironically some of the biggest offenders for failure in this area are the DLO of the LA's
British Gas were for a time very firm with their contractors after a driver died when their car crashed into a pile of material left in the carriageway, about 30 minutes after the local MP (George Ffoulkes IIRC) had narrowly missed doing the same thing.
If you've any pictures it would be useful, especially if they are taken before any reactive remedy is rushed in to place.
Of course one other option is to go there with begged or borrowed cones and barriers (there seems to be an ample supply simply left behind after work has taken place (or 'stored' in the Water of Leith) and put the proper pedestrian route (1.5m wide with a safety zone gap between the barrier line and traffic cones, etc) which the contractor clearly has failed to do. And in the absence of the statutory sign you put up an "Absence of a Statutory sign" sign, noting that "These road works do not appear to comply with the legal requirements of Chapter 8, notably in : the provision of details of those responsible for the site : protection and diversion for ALL road users : Please advise Clarence on ....."
If enough calls about non compliant road works come in then an inspector might go out and take a look.
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Post thought check the statutory postings of temporary traffic orders, if the works are medium-long term or cuse major disruption.
As a general rule most orders completely fail to consider pedestrian, and cycle access and diversion (for road closures) I recall installing a new Bridge on the Sustrans path to Kilmacolm, and we had to point out the Strthclyde Roads department that a 2.7 mile diversion to walk a 'gap' of barely 50 yards was a ridiculous proposal for pedestrian traffic and got them to tell us the signage to provide a pedestrian diversion.
Keeping an eye on the run of the paper (ie wherever the space is) announcements for Temporary TRO's could see a happy task of firing in "What about the pedestrians/cyclists!"objections to the less competent diversion proposals
Posted 12 years ago # -
The works are in the road not the pavement but the problem is getting across the road at this very busy junction.
You have to just take your chances.Posted 12 years ago # -
Hello there.
This is my first post on this so be gentle with me!
I felt I had to write regarding the DIY Zebra crossing. My advice is DONT!
Applying zebra markings without the Belisha beacons makes the crossing null and void i.e drivers do not have to stop for pedestrians on it. The situation may arise that a pedestrian may assume they have the right of way, and step out in front of a driver who assumes he does not have to stop.I share your frustration regarding contractors who ignore Chapter 8, particularly with regards to pedestrian and cycle provision. I have found (from both sides of the issue) that the most effective way of dealing with this is through your local Councillor.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I did wonder about the Bike Chain attaching a couple of Cherry Bombs to some poles... ;)
Posted 12 years ago # -
It's been done before of course:
Posted 12 years ago # -
Welcome
"My advice is DONT!"
It's never clear on CCE how serious people are (you may have noticed...)
I presume idea (if it was to happen) would be intended as a short lived publicity stunt.
Posted 12 years ago # -
We could use a later-day Leslie Hore-Belisha or two. Long time since I heard his name. Gave us the 30mph limit in towns too, apparently.
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From Wonkipedia:
Hore-Belisha's Road Traffic Act 1934 introduced a speed limit of 30 mph for motor cars in built-up areas. This was vigorously opposed by many, who saw the new regulations as a removal of 'an Englishman's freedom of the highway.' The earlier 20 mph speed limit had been abolished in 1930 because it was universally flouted. A large backlog of court cases had made the law unenforceable. In addition, The Automobile Association (AA) and the Royal Automobile Club (RAC) had frequently been successful in defending their members against evidence from primitive speed traps.
Hore-Belisha rewrote the Highway Code and was responsible for the introduction of two innovations which led to a dramatic drop in road accidents: the driving test and the Belisha beacon, named after him by the public. On his retirement, he was made vice-president of the Pedestrians' Association and to this day the logo of the organisation includes a Belisha Beacon.
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"This was vigorously opposed by many, who saw the new regulations as a removal of 'an Englishman's freedom of the highway.' The earlier 20 mph speed limit had been abolished in 1930 because it was universally flouted."
Ah, how things have....not changed at all.
Posted 12 years ago # -
I wouldn't do this either -ETA pop-up Zebra.
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