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completing phase 1 of the Edinburgh Promenade, a 17km coastal route being developed as part of the regeneration of Edinburgh's Waterfront
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"Edinburgh to unlock £1.3bn of infrastructure spending"
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Posted 12 years ago #
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For example, Essential Edinburgh, the Capital's central Business Improvement District, is leading the £300,000 redevelopment of the city's famous Rose Street .
Guess we know who's guilty of removing the cycle racks then! 300k is about 2.5 x more than the QBC got is it not? Food for thought about priorities.
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"The tram is crucially important because it's going to greatly improve the connectivity between the city centre and the airport and open up a number of new development opportunities in West Edinburgh."
Presumably that's the (rest of the) Gyle business park, plus all the land around the tram depot at Gogar, which would be silly not to develop of course.
"It's also important to remember that the tram is an environmentally friendly, low carbon project and will help the city achieve its important sustainability targets."
Let me see. A huge and hugely unpopular mass transport project that is so unpopular that the masses may not want to use it because it doesn't serve many people. A huge project with a significant environmental whole life cost. A mass transport project designed primarily to get people to and from an airport. A huge mass transport project that has ridden roughshod over the most environnmentally sound form of transport that anyone ever invented.
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Hmm. That Edinburgh Promenade Phasing Plan in full:
PHASING PLAN
PHASE 1: 2009 - 2013
SECTION NAME LENGTH DELIVERY
B-C Portobello promenade piazza 130m PUBLIC
I-I1 Western breakwater to Western Harbour 510m DEVELOPER
M-O Existing parkland at Granton 3176m PUBLIC
TOTAL 3816mPHASE 2: 2014-2018
SECTION NAME LENGTH DELIVERY
A-B Portobello promenade south 553m PUBLIC
C-D Portobello promenade north 880m PUBLIC
D-E Sea front east of Seafield Road 1460m PUBLIC
K1-M North of West Shore Road 1268m DEVELOPER
H-I Western breakwater to western harbour 810m DEVELOPER
TOTAL 4971mPHASE 3: 2019-2028
SECTION NAME LENGTH DELIVERY
F1-G1 East of water treatment works 1080m PUBLIC
G1-G2 Northern end of Marine Drive 220m PUBLIC
I1-J Starbank Road 715m PUBLIC
J-J1 Lower Granton Road 1169m PUBLIC
G4-H Western Harbour Dam 240m DEVELOPER
K-K1 Western sea wall at Granton Harbour 607m DEVELOPER
TOTAL 4031mPHASE 4: 2029-2038
SECTION NAME LENGTH DELIVERY
G2-G4 Leith docks and lock area 2412m DEVELOPER
J1-K Granton Harbour 937m DEVELOPER
E-F/F1 Northern section of Seafield
Road 483m PUBLIC
TOTAL 3832mhttp://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/1893/edinburgh_waterfront_promenade_design_code
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So then, Silverknowes section to Cramond is done basically.
Porty Prom will get a 'piazza' at the wee rectangular bit where it juts out onto the beach.
I'm assuming the 'developer funded' Western breakwater to Western Harbour section is cancelled due to the recession? Certainly they won't require 'Signage from Newhaven tram stop'.
Roll on 2014, when they might start doing something else. Possibly. If there's spare cash.
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Shame. I was hoping that they might smooth off that Cramond section and help improve my Strava time.
Posted 12 years ago # -
@arellcat
Tram will be popular once finished. There will be a huge shift in perceptions. This is what happened in manchesternand Dublin anyway.
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"Tram will be popular once finished"
I suppose it depends what you mean by "popular" and "finished".
I assume finished means trams running to/from York Place.
I don't suppose there will be many people who 'won't use it on principle'. So it will be popular with those people that want to go where the tram goes. These will include current 22 buses users who will find it more comfortable (if they don't have to stand) and probably a bit faster.
If they live in Leith then changing from an every 5 minute bus service at York Place to wait for the less frequent tram might not be popular.
From a general bus fare payer's (and perhaps city taxpayer's point of view) the almost inevitable extra cost of running the tram might not be popular either.
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If far less time was spent talking about things and actually getting on with it... There are a number of areas that have been discussed and discussed and discussed and still nothing has happened. The selling off of the brown site down by Granton/Silverknowes is not going to happen, it is too costly to make it habitable and given the current economic climate no developer is going to touch it because they will not be able to sell properties that are built either. St James' centre development had been put on hold indefinitely so who are they trying to kid. That is just two...
Posted 12 years ago # -
Tram will be popular once finished. There will be a huge shift in perceptions. This is what happened in manchesternand Dublin anyway.
Yes, if the tram route links hospitals, railway stations and universities. This one doesn't, particularly.
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By popular,I mean people will stop moaning about it and start liking it. I admit I am a glass half full kind of person and I have always liked the Scottish parliament building (too good for the MSPs inside).
Behavioural change (using the trams) leads to attitudinal change (positive about the trams). Obviously they need to finish it. Many bridges going in now. Amazing construction project, catch it from airport straight to Harvey nicks. What's not to like? I mean in 2014 or whenever they finish it. Shame about the leithers. Historically they had their own tram to get them up the hill, a metre of it remains just up From GPO/ Amazon building on way to Calton Hill
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I was working in manchesternwhennthe first southern line was constructed. Linked Stockport to centre. Talk was that it didn't link up with anything, would be too dear for students ( did go through student land). Seemed to change the way people travelled? Walking to nearest tram stop? Granted Stockport is a lot bigger than Corstorphine. I used to visit Dublin regularly when tram was being constructed. Route was into O'Connell Street from the west of Dublin, again felt to not link up with anywhere. Both times, this was just pub talk. Both places now, in the pubs and clubs the talk is trams are dandy.
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"catch it from airport straight to Harvey nicks."
Or 'near the airport' as some people think.
"What's not to like?" I think the 'purpose' you've outlined is part of the image/perception problem.
I'm still less than certain that it will 'work' in the sense of integrating with the bus system.
I'm more certain that the money could have been better spent on less "glamourous" transport (ie getting people to move around efficiently) projects.
'We' are ecstatic that 'they' are finally sorting the bumps and drainage on NEPN. Imagine what could have been done with £800+m (after they had bought a new bus fleet).
Posted 12 years ago # -
A billion pounds have been spent to parallel two excellent bus services. Whether or not peoples perception changes this will never be good value.
Posted 12 years ago # -
PHASE 4: 2029-2038
The great CCE prom ride. Coming soon! (est. 2038). Put it in z´your diaries now!
30 years for c. 16km of path and shared pavement (a lot of which already exists) must be record progress. Even trams get built faster than that!
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@chdot "Or 'near the airport' as some people think."
It's getting closer to the terminal than I thought it would.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edinburghtrams/7801736972/in/photostream/lightbox/
Same walking distance as the short stay carpark by the looks of it. At least a shuttle bus will not be necessary...
Posted 12 years ago # -
Not really any further than the bus either (for pick up at any rate; bus drop off is closer).
There was a rumour for a long time that people still seem to repeat for some reason that "the tram won't even go to the airport".
Posted 12 years ago # -
Problem is, Edinburgh wouldn't have got a £500 million grant from Scot Gov for a new bus fleet and some bike paths.
Government likes to think BIG. ICONIC. HIGHLY VISIBLE. Second Forth Crossing rather than national cycle network. Latter would probably be better 'value for money' but would be 'invisible' to most voters. Politicians don't do subtle gestures...
Posted 12 years ago # -
"Photo Update September 2012
As tram works continue across the route, click on the link below to see some of the most recent progress pictures"
http://www.edinburghtrams.com/include/uploads/news/Photo_Update_September_2012_WEB.pdf
Posted 12 years ago # -
"For example, Essential Edinburgh, the Capital's central Business Improvement District, is leading the £300,000 redevelopment of the city's famous Rose Street ."
"Rose Street, Edinburgh’s poets’ playground, set for £1m revival"
That's inflation for you.
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