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re-opening of paths temporarily closed for tram works

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  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Uberuce and I went this way twice today. The piece of shared use pavement under the bridge is completely pointless, as it dumps you out into a road junction about 10m after you get out from under it. There's plenty of road width were to continue the path up Russell Road. Of course there needs to be parking on both sides of the road here...

    The viaduct of the WAR is of course a pinch point, with that huge central pier. With the cooncil having their own depot on Russell Road, I'm sure they're unofficially keen on keeping the rat run as it is and not to restrict it to a single lane only under the viaduct.

    On google maps I count 5 running lines and 4 lines from the depot to cross on the alignment of the old railway viaduct. That's a lot of railway to cross without some sort of central piers, I can't see Network Rail leaping on the chance to have disruption here, can you?

    One option might be to re-model the old embankment from Sauchiebank industrial estate, putting a path up it to cross the spur of the railway somewhere in the vicinity of Duff Street, then run parallel to the WAR, cantilever a bridge out across Gorgie Road from the existing bridge, linking on to existing path behind LIDL. That still leaves Telfer Underpass as bottleneck, but hey-ho...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. Arellcat
    Moderator

    From here in April 2010:

    "Today's meeting was excellent, good debate and well facilitated. CEC Planning made lots of notes about biodiversity and cycle/walking access, and the will seemed to be there for the proposed Yeaman Place/Union Canal and Dalry-Duff St-Roseburn Path route developments especially - but the lack of current funding ability by CEC and the issue of privately owned land coming up for sale (development strategy requirements) means that they could be a long time coming."

    Well, so much for that. All we've got is a new zigzag path that's worse than it was before.

    The idea of opening up the Duff Street spur from Sauchiebank and reinstating the dismantled railway bridge might have some merit to it. It would probably have to be a relatively short route ending at the corner of Duff St and Duff St Lane because money to extend the width of the WAR bridge at Dalry probably wouldn't be forthcoming (and of course if they did that, they'd be able to lay a decent cycle path parallel to the WAR, all the way to Morrison Crescent). But from Duff St there is a cycle/ped cut through to Easter Dalry Drive, which comes out on Dalry Road almost opposite Orwell Terrace. Of course, that junction is unsignalled and so would still discourage the less experienced.

    And the WAR cycle path would still end up sending canal-bound cyclists up the stupid zigzag, which is already next to impossible on a recumbent bike. I plan to get a "CEC Infrastructure Deficiency Monitoring Vehicle".

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    @chdot is this the same bridge? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-20932741

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Ya.

    Here's another -

    "
    The Tins bridge forms part of a £250,000 Cambridgeshire County Council project to improve the pathway for cyclists and pedestrians in the south of the city.

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-12918664

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. Uberuce
    Member

    The zigzags up Russell-Roseburn are merely tiresome on an upright, but going down on SPDs required more concentration than this weary CX spectator was enthusiastic to supply.

    A ninja clip-in risks granting you a solid belt in the face courtesy of the outer rails.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. DaveC
    Member

    I have been over the Cambridge brigde a few times, when I worked in Cambridge. Its a nice link which saves a 10 minute walk over the bridge on Mill lane.

    Its a shame the trams work could not just put a nice gentle slope without the need for zigzags pushing the top of the slope further north but I guess that would have cost too much.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. cb
    Member

    "I guess that would have cost too much."

    If cycling was of a decent priority then it wouldn't have cost too much. It's pretty much just a case of shifting earth and plenty of that has been done for the tram works.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. DaveC
    Member

    I know and its such a shame, budgets are funny things, a few thousands spent on shifting earth when compared to millions on moving piplines and cables for trams.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Far from ideal, going up the way in locked in pedals or a recumbent either way. Going down I would take one foot out of a pedal and glide down. On the plus side it has re-opened and bikes can be pushed up at a slight inconvenience or we can continue to access thee wonders of the North Edinburgh path round at Wester Coates.

    Does the other path half way up that appears to be the same as it used to be [near enough] go all the way to haymarket?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Having cycled through Queensferrys North and South and Kirkliston yesterday, I can confirm that there must have been 10s if not 100s of thousands of tons of earth moved for the Royal Sir William Wallace Gateway Memorial Braveheart bridge and associated motorway upgrades.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    @k

    You STILL don't understand -

    That's about the economicgrowthfuturewellbeing of the country.

    Cycling is just

    um

    irrelevant a nuisance.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. Dave
    Member

    Even worse, the type of small scale projects that SPOKES and the cycling lobby keep campaigning for would generally be delivered by relatively local business employing local people.

    No opportunity to assign them to a mainly european state-owned / foreign corporation as we would with a REAL infrastructure project!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. DaveC
    Member

    Yeh I'm with Dave, we could have had the local Skivers.... er sorry [anti Conservative filter] ... gainfully unemployed, digging like navies... [er.... ] Irish Labourers

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. Smudge
    Member

    Ahem, Navigational Engineers thankyouverymuch ;-)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    The canals and the bridges, the embankments and cuts,
    They blasted and dug with their sweat and their guts
    They never drank water but whiskey by pints
    And the shanty towns rang with their songs and their fights.

    Navigator, navigator rise up and be strong
    The morning is here and there's work to be done.
    Take your pick and your shovel and the bold dynamite
    For to shift a few tons of this earthly delight
    Yes to shift a few tons of this earthly delight.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. Nelly
    Member

    @gembo, reminds me of many Pogues gigs, usually in the Barrowlands Ballroom. Must have been mid 80s, as Cait O'Riordan had not been stolen by Declan Mcmanus yet.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Ah Nelly, I thought you looked familiar. I saw Pogues in Barrowlands just after they changed from Pogue Mahone. Shane still hitting his head with a quite solid tray [surely a tambourine would suffice?]. all very jolly. Now next time I went the place was bedecked in Celtic Scarves - 1984. The football fans had discovered them big style.

    Other gigs we might also have been at together but apart - Echo and The Bunymen 1984, Smiths 1984 and 1985. Fall 1987 or is that pushing it [only good Fall gig I was ever at]

    To think Elvis Costello could be married to Caitlin O'Riordan and then Diana Krall

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. Nelly
    Member

    Ha ! We were definitely into the same stuff. My teen bands of choice were the Bunnymen, Cure (night before my english higher - still got an A), Smiths (sadly only once, Caley Palais as was), Billy Bragg, supported by The Housemartins at Queens Hall! Also saw Big Country in Livingston once, reckon that was under the influence of a girl.

    Was oddly into Prince and saw him at Wembley Arena and Parkhead.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    More oh than OT...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. kaputnik
    Moderator

    This bridge?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. fimm
    Member

    "The piece of shared use pavement under the bridge is completely pointless" no it is not if you are coming the other way, as it means you don't have to do a right turn onto the zigzags from the corner.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. Coxy
    Member

    So, is it now possible to cycle from Roseburn to Haymarket off-road?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. cc
    Member

    Yes, there's a link from the end of the Roseburn path going to about a hundred yards from Haymarket station, then back up onto the road (which is then blocked at the junction...)

    Like this

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. Coxy
    Member

    Cool - worth a try to avoid the terrible road surface just before Donaldson's College going West -> East.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @CC haven't gone that way recently, last time I did, a lot of the former NCN1 shared use pavement etc. had been dug up or appropriated by the tram works, obliging you to use the road (although there was no dropped kerbs anywhere to do so)


    What a bloody trambles! by the Magnificent Octopus, on Flickr

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    Still quite a quiet cut through. I was worried it would not come back into play at all as it did look to be a complete photfit of ther tram line route

    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. cc
    Member

    Ah, mind you, you do need to cycle along a bit of road which has tr*m rails on it, or cycle up/down a bit of pavement to avoid them. I forgot to mention that before because (I've discovered that) my bike's tyres are big enough that they don't get stuck in the tr*m tracks.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. Arellcat
    Moderator

    although there was no dropped kerbs anywhere to do so

    The dropped kerb installed later, in the middle of K's photo and seen on the top-left here:


    Kerb your enthusiasm, on Flickr

    is now accessible using the original route of NCN1. I was there a few days ago and was so surprised that the metal grid diversion had been removed that I didn't make a proper mental note.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  29. kaputnik
    Moderator

    A nice suggestion on Twitter earlier comparing the Russell Road chicane to the Alpe d' Huez and that it needs a climb categorisation board at the bottom and some climb route-markers on the way up. It would make a nice replacement for the information board that used to be at the bottom.

    Who's got some plywood and a jigsaw then?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. Focus
    Member

    It really needs some nutters with cowbells and preferably Didi der Teuffel to complete the effect.

    Posted 11 years ago #

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