anyne else reading http://www.scribd.com/doc/109619079/Reasoned-Decision ?
damning. fascinating read though
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I got bored after a bit.
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Guy in professional sport might have cheated, might not.
Makes no difference to me cycling to Morrisons. I'd never even heard of Wiggins till July.
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160 odd pages? I'll wait for the film... ;)
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I want to know more about how his drug taking affected his team so, yes, I'll be reading it.
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Yeah, been reading it on a looooong delayed train journey. Having read one of David Walsh's books and kept track of things on line, I don't thing there's anything in there that was a surprise. What *is* new, however, is the open naming and testimony of all the team mates and staff members, and some real colour from the likes of Dave Zabriskie as to how the team, with LA as the leader, 'persuaded' individuals over the line into doping.
Really good that this gets aired; I just hope it can lead to some institutional change in the sport.
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I found it fascinating - both the quasi legal reporting of witnesses and other data, AND the extremely emotive judgemental sections.
Mr SRD commented over breakfast that it would be fascinating to know why the criminal investigation was dropped...
(Ps I thought 200 pages pretty comprehensive, but am sure the World service reported it to be 1000 pages - am I missing something? then again, their commentary/analysis was quite confused, so maybe they got that wrong too?)
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The 'Reasoned Decision' is 200 pages, all of the supporting documentation that goes with it amounts to 1200 pages.
I also found it very interesting, the sworn testimony, the money trail, the re-tests and re-evaluation of tests, the UCI refusing to hand over samples.
One of the stories I found interesting and to me demonstrated the fear which was present in the team, was when one of the staff was sent to a car to get pills, which turned out not to be there. They were so afraid of going back to LA to tell him there were no pills, that they went to the trouble of making a placebo pill out of Paracetamol, and giving him that.
You almost wonder what kept these people at the team, is it a bit like the battered wife that stays with a husband, does the fear over-rule the urge to get out?
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I'm half way through it. I'm even more surprised that he wasn't caught as he and most of the rest of the team were doping during the Tour.
And it's startling to read accounts of the same trips to Italy, the same training camps, the same villa holidays as featured in countless magazine articles but with the surreptitious stops at service stations to collect drugs and the secret blood fridges (etc etc) added.
Maybe the saddest part so far was reading that on top of all that bad faith towards fans, Landis and Armstrong encouraged the team, behind the blackened glass of the team bus to ridicule the people waiting outside for autographs.Posted 12 years ago # -
Haven't read, not going to read.
Fundamentally I don't care.
Looks like he did it. Been stripped of his TdF wins.
Broke the rules more comprehensively than others (perhaps), kept it secret better than others (probably).
OK if you are (voluntarily) involved in something that has rules it's probably good to go along with them and hope/presume everyone does too.
Of course 'rules are meant to be broken' (allegedly) - or bent or have envelopes pushed. Then there's letter and spirit (not suggesting that LA has managed either).
If it's tax there's avoiding and evading. One of those is apparently OK - whatever the law makers may have intended. (Apparently McLaren is trying to get its fine for 'industrial espionage' declared tax deductible as it's 'normal practice' to spy on F1 rivals.)
Ah yes, sport - which is all about trying to get an advantage over others (by whatever means - or not).
The UCI is often ridiculed for its rules which have outlawed Graeme Obree and recumbents.
'It's about the rider' - who may or may not have better genes, training programmes, nutritional advice, wind tunnels or rounder wheels (yes, David Cameron really did mention that one yesterday!)
Is at about drugs?
So drugs are banned because of unfair advantage? (See above).
Maybe banned because they are not good for the human body? But plenty of athletes, ballet dancers etc. have done themselves personal damage without using drugs - except the ones needed to hide the pain so they can carry on.
It would be nice to think that LA is being done for bullying and bribing his 'employees', but I suspect that's not the case.
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