"I'd use it to go across the city centre if I had a LB day ticket."
As will others, and those who have Rideacards.
I don't see the tram attracting enough extra people to cover the running costs.
Fares will rise - on the buses too.
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"I'd use it to go across the city centre if I had a LB day ticket."
As will others, and those who have Rideacards.
I don't see the tram attracting enough extra people to cover the running costs.
Fares will rise - on the buses too.
Live in Murrayfield, work at the Airport. At £8 return I can't see me ever using it.
"Live in Murrayfield, work at the Airport. At £8 return I can't see me ever using it"
Do you currently get the airport bus? If not that's a bit spurious.
@chdot
I agree with your prediction that fares will rise.
I also predict that the days will lengthen until 21.06
Also we will pay taxes
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"Do you currently get the airport bus? If not that's a bit spurious"
Ridacards can be used on the airport bus. If they can't be used on the tram to the airport then it's a huge jump in cost.
Edit: for some reason I thought that the Ridacards couldn't be used out to the airport. I just checked and they can, so Nelly's question is fair enough....
I'm sure it'll be a nice way to travel, and it will probably become my #2 choice for commuting.
Walk + tram to Edinburgh Park = 40 min (ish...not sure how long it'll take from west end to EP) Which may mean about 10 mins less than walk+22 bus.
Or I can cycle at leisurely pace from door to door in sub-30 mins. #fun #fit #free
Do you currently get the airport bus? If not that's a bit spurious.
I do, on an occasional basis (v high winds for example)
I plan to use it to get from work to my Christmas night out in town...
Traffic is always a pain and we're usually running late.
Rest of the time, nah...
I'll probably look at using the Tram from time to time. I will be seriously tempted to get it as far as the Park and Ride and then walk the last mile on foot.
The tram stop is equidistant to the bus stop from my house and since they're the same price it'll probably depend where I'm going and if the 22 is due.
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There's some oddly disconnected commentary in David Black's piece, like:
The council's website seemed to be curiously reluctant to connect all the dots, so to speak. It certainly offered some detailed maps, but these only seemed to extend out to Haymarket Yards, which didn't even cover half the distance to the airport. Further investigation identified a tram terminus at Burnside Road, Maybury, which would appear to be much further away from the airport entrance than the bus terminus, which was, until recently, right outside the concourse – though no doubt with some major engineering and the provision of a bridge a greater degree of proximity might yet be achievable.
Is he making the point that the website isn't very helpful (fair enough) or that the tramline doesn't reach the airport (just plain wrong)?
But then it finishes off with David Black is an author based in Washington (Tyne & Wear or DC?), so maybe he just doesn't know.
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It did indeed look for a while like the tram stop was some way away from the terminal building, and this seemed silly when the buses stopped right outside; but then it emerged that the terminal building is being extended out to where the tram stop is.
The author's tone is rather wearing but I do heartily agree with this bit:
The sorry truth about the new Edinburgh tram system is that it will be totally irrelevant to over 90% of the population, yet if it had been planned properly it could have made a significant contribution to the quality of life in the city.
and I'm intrigued by this:
Had they proceeded with the 1970s plan devised by Edinburgh University's internationally renowned professor of civil engineering, Arnold Hendry, we would now have a world-class light rail network on dedicated lines serving more than 80% of the citizenry
I'm guessing that that was the Edinburgh Metro, which Alastair Darling assassinated?
One of the benefits of cycling is the chance to let the mind wander where it wants...
This morning mine mulled over my interaction between the trams and a humble pound coin, fromrthis other thread.
I wondered what else you could have done with 776,000,000 pound coins.
The answer is a 3.5metre wide path of pound coins (on their end) from the airport to York Place.
Might be a bit bumpy to cycle on though.
Had they proceeded with the 1970s plan devised by Edinburgh University's internationally renowned professor of civil engineering, Arnold Hendry, we would now have a world-class light rail network on dedicated lines serving more than 80% of the citizenry
Presuming it was a plan to use the train lines that now form the NEPN?
Well, I didn't know about the special wheels that lubricate the tracks. You learn something every day.
chdot has better images of the planned network I think, but here's one for starters;
http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=39451
I was detained for three cycles of the westbound lights in anticipation of an eastbound tram passing the entrance to Frederick Street this morning, even though straight-on westbound traffic being allowed to move would not be getting in the tram's way. Evidently the people working out the signalling snags don't trust people to notice the difference between the straight-on and right-turn lights.
Evidently the people working out the signalling snags don't trust people to notice the difference between the straight-on and right-turn lights.
Quite rightly so given a few instances I've seen...
I was stuck for one light cycle at the Charlotte Square lights a couple of nights ago as the South Charlotte Street/Princes Street lights stayed red for the tram (I chose not to filter or to enter a box junction while the exit wasn't clear - unlike a couple of ignorant drivists). This gave me time to muse that perhaps the Council is using the tram to pedestrianise the city centre by stealth. Can only hope so, but it would be prefereable from an aesthetic (and political) point of view if they just had the conviction to do it.
did the pedestrians still get a green man to cross the tracks or were they too made to wait?
chdot has better images of the planned network I think, but here's one for starters;
http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=39451
Underground from Canonmills to Newington. That would have been easy and cheap, particularly the bit under Waverley Station!
did the pedestrians still get a green man to cross the tracks or were they too made to wait?
Couldn't see that far ahead, but peds do at least have the added ability (and right) to cross when the hell they want when the other traffic is at a standstill.
Underground from Canonmills to Newington
of course, the bit from Canonmills to Waverley is already there. The next bit's a little bit more of a headscratcher though!
And most of the "blue line" is already there, blocked largely by the intransigence of Network Rail who want to keep the S&SJR as a traffic-free bypass at the cost of it being a useful suburban commuter route?
There's a thread somewhere hear from a year or so back where I tried to calculate how deep the platforms at St. Andrew Square would be below street level. I think it was 19m?
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TRAMS will take nearly three quarters of an hour to get from the airport to York Place when they start.
Bosses say a “conservative” running speed will result in an end-to-end journey time of approximately 39 minutes.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/trams-on-go-slow-for-first-few-weeks-1-3421756
Is there a definitive answer on whether bikes can be taken on the tram?
My wife will be picking up her first ever "proper" new bike on Saturday (she's very excited about it) but she isn't confident enough to ride it home through traffic.
The tram would actually be an ideal solution if it is allowed.
they will trial bike carriage after 6 months.
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