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Leith / Lochend / Seafield path - a warning on unsavoury character

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  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    This path already has a reputation for unsavoury characters, broken glass, dumped shopping trolleys, burnt-out scooters, dog poo etc.

    However I had an "encounter" on Sunday with someone who would make me seriously consider going this way again.

    I was heading up from Seafield back to Easter Road direction, somewhere in vicinity of the allotments. I passed a fellow - we'll call him Jakey McPake - walking a dog, which I think was called "Wally" and was a black and white bull terrier of some sort. Anyway, Mr. McPake was on one side of the path and the dog the other. I wasn't going fast to begin with and pulled as far to the right (dog side) as I could to avoid the walker and let the dog go where it wanted. Dog started to bark and run towards me as McPake shouted on it "Wally! Wally! For f*** sake! Get the f*** over here ya wee ****". Fair enough I though, he's at least making an attempt to call the dog back. But the dog continued to chase and was right at my heel, barking and slavering and attempting to snap at it. This went on for about 50m, by which time dog was beginning to tire / get bored. I called back to McPake that he might want to get his dog under control - no aggression or swears, just a helpful suggestion.

    Well. He wasn't having this and seemed to explode into a fit of rage and tried to chase after me. Not that there was any point, with me on a bike and him on foot. I just ignored him and cycled on until he gave up chasing, but I got the full hard-man act. I believe McPake was requesting a "square go" so that he should have the chance to physically attack me (I believe "murder" was on the cards) for the slight in suggesting that his out-of-control dog should be controlled. I wasn't particularly paying attention - aggresive, irrational characters like this are all too common in some parts, and the best solution is just to ignore them and move on. But the amount of swearing, strength of the language and threats made and the physical "come and have a go" body language were somewhat in the extreme. I was passed him and the dog was tired out, so I didn't feel particularly threatened, but if the situation was different and dog had begun it's act before I had pased McPake, it could have been different.

    I couldn't even describe the guy beyond he was - in the vernacular - "a bit of a Jake". But if you do see someone on this path who looks like a bit of a Jake and is walking a black and white bull terrier off the leash, I'd give him a wide berth and just keep on pedalling.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    Mmnnyeah. Living nearby, I use that path fairly frequently but tend to attenuate my normal interfered-with-by-dog reactions in the same way that I try to not reflexively scowl and mutter at people cycling on the footway when the footway is adjacent to Lochend Road and the psyclist looks like they might care as little for laws against punching people in the face as they seem to care for laws against cycling on footways.

    For other people who didn't automatically know what a bull terrier was (or who were imagining something like a bulldog but with pointier ears, perhaps with one cocked towards a gramophone):

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. PS
    Member

    You questioned his authority. He was never going to like that.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. steveo
    Member

    I've long since stopped engaging in any way for what ever reason with random people who look like they might be any description off unhinged. A dog like that is a general indicator of unhinged.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Yes it was either one of those (the ones my Dad says that have a face that looks like their...) or a Staffordshire bull terrier, which has a more dog-like face, but equally big and oversized head and pointy, gnashy teeth. It didn't feature a lead.

    By complete contrast, the man further along the same path who went one way and his dog the other as I approached, stringing the extenda-lead across my path was the height of civility and offered me a "sorry pal" as he got the dog back in a way that avoided me getting tangled in the leash.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Min
    Member

    Bet he was relieved he didn't catch up with you. Radge.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Min
    Member

    Unfortunately pretty much everyone on the NEPN is walking a bull terrier of some sort*. Mostly Staffordshire or "Staffordshire cross" which is a euphemism for pit bull.

    *Apart from Dogzilla, a ridiculously huge ugly and scary looking dog I once saw. It came up to the guys waist and had apparently fallen out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. It must have also eaten each of those branches too considering how overweight it was.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Dog = Car
    Owner = Driver

    Dog breed is irrelevant (I've known some beautiful and soft as bits bull terriers over the year). The owner, just like the driver, is responsible for control, which was sadly lacking in this case.

    The owner reacted in eactly the same way as many many drivers react when you tell them they can't control their car.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Also got friends who we stayed with on holiday this year with a gorgeous, and friendly, and soft, Staffie Cross (which isn't a euphemism for Pit Bull - that's a specific breed).

    EDIT: or a specific cross between an American Pit Bull and an American Staffie.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. paolobr
    Member

    I also live near the path and use it regularly. While I've not had quite the depth of interaction you describe, I've had a few opportunities to advise on canine control...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. steveo
    Member

    The owner reacted in eactly the same way as many many drivers react when you tell them they can't control their car.

    Which is why I never intereact with drivers of certain car types. Stupid exhaust, rally styled car, custom "body work" etc = unhinged. Unless proven otherwise.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'm not usually that intimidated or bothered by dogs. Dogs will be dogs and largely want to wander around and sniff at things. However I've a big issue with dogs off the leash on paths, in that they're not under control, and no amount of yelling at the things seems to bring it under actual control.

    Many owners walking dogs off leash are good and when they see you coming will call the thing owner and hold it by the collar as you pass. However if the dog is roaming ahead, or you're comign from behind them, this really doesn't work.

    Apparently Staffies have a bad press, and are actually recommended as dogs for families with children. But they are used by some people labelling other pit bulls as "staffies" to avoid questions being asked about their actual breed. But like any dog, even the most lovable faimly labrador, it can turn violent and an irresonsible owner does not help.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Min
    Member

    Yes, the problem with Staffies and other bull terriers is that they tend to be owned by the type of person who shouldn't be trusted with a stick insect never mind a dog of any type. See above.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. mgj
    Member

    I had a similar response last week when I politely pointed out to a driver that parking on the zig zags at a crossing, in a cycle lane and leaving his lights on full while parked facing the wrong way, was perhaps not best when he had a 2 minute errand to the cash-machine in Marchmont Road and could he maybe use one of the many residents spaces in future. Beige Peugeot 406, so not immediately obvious he would launch into full 'square go' rant. Worse, the speccy chav then referred to me as a fat c##t ;-)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. cc
    Member

    Just to be clear, is this the Seafield to Easter Road path rather than the Seafield to Leith Links path with the lovely new bridges and ramp?

    I cycled along the latter yesterday just for the experience and was quite impressed - they've actually made a useful, usable, pleasant path there. Lovely.

    I did have the option of continuing the tour by also taking in the boomerang-shaped path from Seafield up round to Easter Road, but decided not to: I used to live on Easter Road and I know that path of old and wouldn't ever bother with it for fear of encountering exactly the sort of wild lunatic you describe.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Min
    Member

    I once had a guy threaten to beat me up because I didn't cross the road when he demanded that I do so and instead was waiting for the green man. I wasn't worried as I could have beaten him easily, pathetic scrawny loser that he was.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @CC this was the Seafield Road to Easter Road path (not the newly surfaced route to Leith Links). It was just beyond the allotments, before the cycleslalom up to Easter Road statium.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. "I wasn't worried as I could have beaten him easily, pathetic scrawny loser that he was"

    Yeah, with hindsight I shouldn't have said that to you... :-/

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. Min
    Member

    Well you'll know for next time. ;-)

    Posted 12 years ago #

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