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The War on Britain's Roads premieres Wednesday 5th December, 9pm BBC one

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  1. crowriver
    Member

    From Leopard Films web site:

    The War on Britain's Roads premieres Wednesday 5th December, 9pm BBC one

    The War on Britain’s Roads combines footage captured by cyclists through helmet-mounted cameras, with interviews from cyclists, drivers and those affected by incidents on our roads. Viewers are parachuted into the middle of the battle that is raging between two-wheeled road users and their four-wheeled counterparts.

    As thirty four million vehicles and thirteen million bikes all try to share the same crowded space, The War on Britain’s Roads provides a dramatic and unique insight into the unfolding tension and conflict. From everyday incidents that get out of hand between cyclists and motorists, to stories of near death experiences and fatal collisions, this timely documentary shows that the battle between two wheels and four has never been so intense.

    The film presents both sides of the story, retelling dramatic incidents from both the cyclists’ and drivers’ points of view. It follows the cycle-mounted police as they chase down errant road users and record more than 3,000 offences every year from car and bike users alike. We even see a cyclist who is attempting to police the roads himself, handing out his own 'tickets' for anything from texting behind the wheel, to jumping a red light. A mother who lost her cyclist daughter in a fatal collision with a cement mixer tells the extraordinary story of her efforts to improve cycle safety on our roads, while a London black cab driver reveals how his own loss changed his opinion about cyclists forever.

    The War on Britain’s Roads premieres at 9pm on Wednesday 5th December on BBC One.

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  2. Dave
    Member

    This might be one of the (increasing) number of media outlets who requested to use my old footage from YouTube.

    I suppose it might lead a few more motorists to worry that they're on camera. Won't be bothering myself - I see plenty of the roads when I'm on them...

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  3. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Must admit, I didn't know there was a war on the roads until I joined Twitter 3 years ago. Before that I'd been cycling in and out of Edinburgh on and off for 18 years without much incident.

    Has social media encouraged us to hate each other? Is it because there are more cyclists, so we are more noticeable? Or was I just blind (I think I would have noticed folk trying to kill me?)?

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  4. steveo
    Member

    Don't think I'll be watching this. I some how doubt it will be all that balanced...

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  5. crowriver
    Member

    Sounds like a cycling version of "Police, Cameras Action!" does it not? Folk at home will just watch it like it's a video game and go "Whoa! Check out that guy, what an idiot!" or somesuch.

    Will it "make a difference"?

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  6. PS
    Member

    "Has social media encouraged us to hate each other?"

    I think all social media has done in this respect is allow the throwaway comments/thoughts/jokes of millions to be published for all to see and to be spread without the benefit of context. And an argument between two people which would previously have gone unnoticed can now be seen by all and sundry. LOL.

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  7. Magnatom/DaveB of YouTube/PoP fame is going to be on it. Not expecting much.... Balance.... Shall we say.

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  8. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    It sounds awful.

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  9. minus six
    Member

    At least magnatom is always clear minded enough to say that there's no war, its just good and bad road users.

    This is going out on prime time BBC 1, so it better not be sensationally summarised. Its hard enough, out there.

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  10. Min
    Member

    I wouldn't be too sure, the BBC hates cyclists.

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  11. deckard112
    Member

    Doesn't exactly sound like a balanced report with a title like that, more like flagrant sensationalism to me. Agree with other posters, there is no war, only a lack of understanding from drivers about the environment cyclists live with (and I speak as a driver and cyclist).

    I see poor standards of driving and cycling every day and that can only be improved by education and improving our skills on two and four wheels, not by creating friction between two groups of road users.

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  12. "I see poor standards of driving and cycling every day and that can only be improved by education and improving our skills on two and four wheels, not by creating friction between two groups of road users."

    Amen to that, wholeheartedly agree.

    Oh, and my post earlier made it look like I thought Magnatom wouldn't be balanced... Obviously his bit will likely to be edited to make him look like a demon cyclist, but he himself is perfectly balanced.

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  13. LaidBack
    Member

    This follows BBC's brief to make as many programmes with Britain in title as possible. Such generalisation may well ignore the glimmers of co-existence that may occur in places. Of course it might amaze us and say that things are improving.

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  14. sallyhinch
    Member

    Here's his take on it http://www.magnatom.net/2012/11/war-on-britains-roads.html

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  15. Morningsider
    Member

    Saw a trailer for this last night - dramtic music, montage of crazy driving/cycling videos and Magnatom's dulcet tones clipped to say "...I thought I was going to be dragged under..." along with other such exciting statements.

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  16. PS
    Member

    A mother who lost her cyclist daughter in a fatal collision with a cement mixer tells the extraordinary story of her efforts to improve cycle safety on our roads, while a London black cab driver reveals how his own loss changed his opinion about cyclists forever.

    That concluding statement makes me think that it may just conclude that something should be done to help cyclists.

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  17. steveo
    Member

    But not before showing plenty of telly that will reinforce the prejudices of certain members of the public who will ignore the conclusion but still allowing the BBC to claim the show is balanced and not flagrant rabble rousing.

    Not I've not seen it yet so I'm also prejudging...

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  18. chdot
    Admin

    "
    British Cycling (@BritishCycling)
    04/12/2012 13:31
    British Cycling on BBC 'road war' documentary: “It makes no sense to talk about ‘them and us’.” -

    http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/campaigning/article/cam20121204-British-Cycling-on-BBC-road-war-documentary-0

    "

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  19. minus six
    Member

    The condition of man... is a condition of war of everyone against everyone. -- Thomas Hobbes

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  20. Everybody seeks happiness! Not me, though! That’s the difference between me and the rest of the world. Happiness isn’t good enough for me! I demand euphoria! -- Calvin (and Hobbes)

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  21. minus six
    Member

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  22. gowgowuk
    Member

  23. Kenny
    Member

    I managed to watch it all, although I nearly had to switch it off after 20 minutes as I was getting quite wound up.

    Tbf, I thought it was a reasonably balanced programme. The young cyclist (Gareth?) seems to be looking for trouble. The two sides of the story between him and the taxi driver had me agreeing mainly with the taxi PoV.

    I've never hit a car with my fist, but one lesson from the programme is that it probably isn't a good idea, and I can empathise, since I also drive. Another lesson is to apparently carry a whistle...? And that advice was from a copper. Hmm.

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  24. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    It was pretty grim. It didn't make cycling, or driving, look like something you'd want to do. But then you wouldn't persuade people to take up gardening by lifting the rockery to see what was under the rocks. Sensationalist to begin with, by the end I thought it was conciliatory though it just left me feeling numb. There was a lot said that was sensible by the drivers and the cyclists but there's so much more being said on the subject elsewhere that's for more pertinent and far less off-putting and depressing. The worst cycling btw was a stunt filmed by an American in 2006. That wasn't made clear enough. For "balance" here's the same thing done with a car.

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  25. crowriver
    Member

    I missed the first 20 minutes.

    My overall impression of the remainder was of of damaged people, mindless driving, and some pointless agression. I don't think I really learned anything from watching it, except maybe that touching some bloke's motor appears to be a crime comparable to stepping on a black man's shoe. I've done the latter (by accident) and believe me, it's not a good idea: the reaction was similar to that of the various white van men in the programme.

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  26. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Carlton Reid (@carltonreid)
    06/12/2012 08:07
    There was much wrong with #bbcwaronroads last night. Filing a complaint? Stick to BBC guideline breaches:

    http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/bbc-doc-portrays-dvd-stunt-cycling-footage-as-standard-behaviour/014036

    "

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  27. cb
    Member

    There was a short spot on this on Today this morning.

    Some chap from Cycling Weekly and Jan Etherington were on.

    Not a vey illuminating discussion, but Jan used the very same crossing the road with an elderly dog (!?!) argument that she used in this sorry excuse for an article (which may well have been mentioned on here before).

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  28. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I wasn't expecting much, and was pleasantly surprised (in that it wasn't really bad).

    Some bad motoring, some bad cycling, some inevitable conflict and one rather amusing incident (in a Daily Wail stylee) where bad cycling, driving, and handbags at dawn all came together when a cyclist (gareth?) and taxi driver had a poo poo.

    What are the chances of two idiots finding each other at that exact moment in time, I wonder if they exchanged details and lived happily ever after?

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  29. Roibeard
    Member

    @mkns - where I've feared for my safety, I've hit the side of a vehicle with my palm. It appears to be a more effective way of alerting a driver to my presence than tinkling a bell, or shouting over their in-car-entertainment system or bluetooth headset...

    The fact that they usually then stop sharply, or swerve away from me, suggests that actually they were aware of my presence and just didn't care how close they got.

    As was pointed out in the "documentary", arms-length is too close...

    Robert

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  30. chdot
    Admin

    "arms-length is too close"

    In an ideal world -

    Or one were the Highway Code is 'gospel'/enforceable.

    Clearly there are people who don't know the width of their own vehicles.

    Others much more concerned about keeping away from the oncoming traffic.

    One thing that was mentioned in the R4 discussion was that if cyclists react 'badly' it's not because they are in a 'war with motorists' (though it was admitted that maybe a minority saw it like that) but through "fear".

    "Too close" usually means 'close and fast' or 'unexpected' - clearly it's not possible to look round every few seconds to see all approaching vehicles when you are concentrating on traffic/parked cars ahead.

    Don't want to sound like I'm 'defending' motorists but I think there may be one factor that comes into this which doesn't get mentioned.

    Most of 'us' filter - ride in the gaps between parked cars and moving ones - and sometimes two lanes of (potentially at least) moving ones - approaching ASLs and other places.

    I wonder how much in some drivers' minds (subconsciously at least) there is the thought that 'cyclists only need a small amount of space to get through traffic, so I only need to leave them a small amount to pass safely'.

    Obviously they are ignoring the Highway Code and discounting legally allowed "wobble".

    (I'm not talking about high-speed open-road or 'punishment' passes.)

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