Had another look at this this morning.
Does this make sense?
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WARNING - cones, bottom of Argyle Place
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Posted 11 years ago #
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SRD said -
"But it is at least as bad, maybe worse, for pedestrians"
Presume this corner is still so wide because of bus route, but certainly not ideal for peds - esp due to signal sequence.
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If you are trying to go perpendicular to Argyle Place, the new crossing makes it much more obvious on foot and bike which way to take.
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But won't most pedestrians be on SMW? not on the pavement beside the road?
it's not so straightforward for them - esp if, for instance, they want to continue across the junction ie east-west on SMW.
Nor for those walking down pavements on Argyle place and then trying to get to MMW.
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Posted 11 years ago #
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Hmm. I hope they won't put the lines down today. I was hoping to record cyclist speeds on the unsegregated route to compare post-segregation (my hypothesis being they will significantly increase).
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Dave - I'm sure you're right. I always enjoy that segment of my ride - it is by far the quietest and least controversial.
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But won't most pedestrians be on SMW? not on the pavement beside the road?
it's not so straightforward for them - esp if, for instance, they want to continue across the junction ie east-west on SMW.
Have to say I disagree with this bit - previously there was no dropped kerbing at all on the islands, if you were going across Argyle Place from one side of SMW to the other. At least now there is some.
Agree that they should also have raised the roadway into a speedbump / level crossing across the mouth of Argyle Park Terrace.
Belisha Beacons a la Zebra crossing across Argyle Place would be great. Is there a toucan-crossing variant of a Zebra?
Posted 11 years ago # -
K'nik you know the intersection better than I do. I'll have another look.
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At lunchtime I saw someone cycling east to west across the junction. She ignored the newly expanded curvy cycle lane bits and instead cycled straight across the dropped-kerb pedestrian bits in the middle of the junction. Easier, more direct!
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When I was surveying, I was surprised by the relatively high proportion of people who ride straight over the pedestrian dropped kerbs at the southernmost end of the junction (either continuing on SMW or transferring to the quiet street alongside).
Significant numbers also rode the wrong way up the slip road to get onto Argyle Place.
There were a few other interesting combinations. Someone bunny-hopped from the slip road right over the first island into the reservation..!
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Hmm. That is not to suggest they flew through the air twelve feet (that would truly have been an amazing bunny hop). More of a double hop.
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@SRD, @Dave To be fair to drivers, there is no 'No Right Turn' sign at the end of the left spur, so no legal reason that they cant do that...
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Cautiously, I think they've improved the lights sequence for cyclists. I ride through every day, and definitely got a much longer than usual green yesterday evening, coming from MMW heading south.
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"I think they've improved the lights sequence for cyclists"
My impression too.
Presume not coincidence.
There was a 'promise' to improve detection - which presumably has happened too.
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In fact I counted both the duration of the green phase for cyclists (up to a very generous 15 seconds) and the time between phases (a very reasonable ~23 seconds in rush hour) as part of my survey.
I have the results written up now : let me know if you think I've missed anything.
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PS. It turns out it's dead easy to do a traffic survey by just sticking the headcam on a tripod and then replaying the video at 120fps when you get home. Takes 15 minutes for each hour (although it's still a bit of a drag, if you want to count multiple stuff).
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Dave, is it possible that there were fewer vehicles because the junction is newly re-opened and so people are still going a different way?
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My feelings on the junction are that they don't seem to have considered all the various routes that cyclists or pedestrians can take through it. It seems OK for certain routes, but not all.
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Fimm, possible but the right turning traffic was busy, it might be interesting to follow up though. Also the obvious doing bike survey after heavy snow and ice may have suppressed the two wheel count a lot.
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The new diagonal footpath from Leamington Walk to the pavement, on the west side of the Argyle Place junction, needs some draining. It had a lovely pool of meltwater this morning about halfway along, and it wasn't draining into the grass.
I had the chance today to try out the left turn from LW. I found it a bit hard to tell the extent of the dropped kerb until I was almost on top of it. Some Meadow Place-style dotted lines across the road in that area might be useful. I like the new junction though!
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I will welcome the return of the segregation line, too many pedestrians milling all over the shop now exploring the expansive new tarmac.
Also I notice the strange fence around the gate to that tenement has been removed. It's currently coned and taped off over on the grass, suggesting it might be getting put back in?
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The fence was there because the ground floor used to be a nursery, IIRC
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I gather the is an issue about the gate opening outwards. And thus potentially obstructing cyclists. That side will be the pedestrian side. Cyclists will be on the outside.
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I am pleased to report that the induction loop for changing the lights when you approach from MMW now works again. And the sequence went in my favour very rapidly this evening, even though I had only just missed nipping through on a "cyclists' amber"
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Indeed pleasing. I went through both north-south and back on Monday. Both times it was just changing away from green as I approached. Both times it went green again within a few seconds of my arrival.
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Cones in both on-road painted lanes on Melville Drive between Argyle Place and Marchmont Road this morning. Filterable with care, or go on South Meadow Walk to avoid.
Pavements being dug up and re-laid.
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Plastic barriers encroaching on the bike side of the shared-use path between Argyle Place/Meadow Place last night.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Melville drive cones narrow very suddenly at the moment and really almost caused me to get a BMW up my arse!
Posted 10 years ago #
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