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Drive to make Scotland a cycling tourism centre

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  1. crowriver
    Member

    A BID to establish Scotland as one of the world’s leading cycling destinations will be launched within months after being identified by tourism leaders as one of the industry’s best prospects for growth.

    The success of cycling superstars such as Sir Chris Hoy and Sir Bradley Wiggins is behind the high-profile drive to promote Scotland as a magnet both for mountain bikers and road cyclists. Scotland’s wilderness areas and remote islands are set to take centre-stage in the campaign, which aims to make cycling as much of a draw for visitors as Munro-bagging.

    It also aims to capitalise on the popularity of events such as the Etape Caledonia in Perthshire and the Mountain Bike World Cup in Fort William over the past decade.

    A nationwide bike hire scheme, a series of new cycle networks, a single national route from John O’Groats to Dumfries and Galloway, and the creation of new events are among the ideas under discussion. It is also hoped the campaign will make it easier for cyclists to take their bikes on to public transport, as well as help encourage Scots to explore their own country more.

    Experts believe there is huge potential to grow the value of cycling to the economy from its current level of about £300 million through better promotion, new facilities and encouraging cyclists to make the most of other attractions during a biking holiday in Scotland.

    Continues at:

    http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/scotland/drive-to-make-scotland-a-cycling-tourism-centre-1-2818978

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Neen Kelly, project manager of the National Cycle Tourism Forum, said: “There is no co-ordinated campaign – or even any funding – to promote cycle tourism at the moment.

    “There’s not been any detailed research done into the value of cycle tourism or how it could be expanded in future years, but there’s been a feeling for some time that it needs properly co-ordinated.

    "

    Don't know if this is wishful thinking, empty PR or kite flying.

    Quick google 'research' shows that NCTF was set up a couple of years ago and encompasses the usual suspects.

    "
    The Forum comprises Cycling Scotland which currently acts as Chair, VisitScotland, Scottish Enterprise, Sustrans, Cyclists Touring Club, Paths For All, Scottish Natural Heritage, EventScotland, Forestry Commission Scotland, Scottish Cycling, The Developing Mountain Biking in Scotland Group, and representatives from 7stanes, Cycle Highland Perthshire and Velo Days.

    "

    http://visitscotland.briefyourmarket.com/Newsletters/VisitScotland-eUpdate---August-2011/Promotion-of-cycle-tourism-in-Scotland.aspx

    "
    Funding has been secured to retain a project manager on a two-days-a-month basis. The tender for project management consultancy is being conducted by Sustrans.
    The current project manager Neen Kelly has been working closely with Visit Scotland to ensure the inclusion of relevant cycling content in their new website and has finalised the cycle tourism research paper.

    "

    http://www.pathsforall.org.uk/component/option,com_docman/Itemid,166/gid,657/task,doc_download

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Min
    Member

    That would be awesome but..don't tell the Scottish Government!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Blueth
    Member

    Yeah, and notice the railways aren't involved. Last time they were their rep met with a cycling rep on the radio and was questioned about space on trains. No problem. The scheme did not work that way - the intention was that you would park your £1800 made to measure tourer at an English station, hire a gas pipe special at the station in the Highlands, have your tour, train home again and hope to hell your bike was still there a fortnight later. She couldn't see the flaw in the scheme.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. wee folding bike
    Member

    Drive to make Scotland a cycling tourism centre is going the wrong way about it.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. SRD
    Moderator

    @blueth. Too true. When transport.scotland rep spoke to cross party group on cycling, it was very clear they had no interest in making cycling accessible via public transport. It was all about how we could rent bikes when we got places (by car) and how we needed more private initiatives, and not to rely on public sector.

    Very depressing in terms of accessibility and tourism both.

    To be fair, the MSPs who were there seemed at least as unimpressed as I was, and suggested they could do better.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    What we enthusiasts need to realise is that cycling is not transport. It's just a leisure activity you undertake when the weather's nice, on traffic free paths, at low speed. You will have driven in your car to the traffic free paths, or maybe taken the train, and a leisure entrepreneur will have rented you some leisure bicycles to use.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. From the original article:

    "It is also hoped the campaign will make it easier for cyclists to take their bikes on to public transport"

    That would include trains wouldn't it?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. "You will have driven in your car to the traffic free paths, or maybe taken the train, and a leisure entrepreneur will have rented you some leisure bicycles to use."

    Sadly, yes, this does appear to be the line of thinking.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. wee folding bike
    Member

    And this kind of thing is one reason why I'm against segregation.

    Cycling isn't something you travel to a special place for, it's something you do to travel.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. I can see where you're coming from, but the oft-cited examples of Copenhagen and Amsterdam, with miles and miles of segregated facilities don't have people driving to them. I think we're often in danger of mixing up rural routes along, say, old railway lines that people will drive to (as I did at the weekend with my wife who is only just getting back into cycling and doesn't have any confidence in riding on busy roads yet) and segregated urban routes that simply make it easier to ride around a city.

    Just taking those examples, my wife won't take any busy road routes in Edinburgh, and route-finding to bypass all of that can be interesting given all the missing links; in comparison we cycled everywhere in Copenhagen.

    I guess what I'm saying is that segregated routes can and do get more people onto bikes...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. SRD
    Moderator

    We don't need to segregate cycling. We need to integrate it into all transport design. In some cases this means segregated cycle ways and bridges, in others it means roads designed for safe cycling, in others trains designed to carry cycles.

    But this integration needs to be from the start, and not retrofitted in bits and pieces.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    @SRD

    Yesish

    But -

    "But this integration needs to be from the start, and not retrofitted in bits and pieces."

    But in both urban and rural areas this could only apply to new developments/infrastructure. Turning an old railway line into a path or adding a drop kerb are both "retrofitting" - we just need more of it!

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  14. SRD
    Moderator

    I was thinking as much of things like recent hay market redevelopment and tendering for scotrail contract etc, where bikes just not even considered in any serious way. They aim to meet some minimalist conditions, but not seriously thinking what sort of train carriage would enable us t carry bikes effectively, or how will cyclists actually access train stations.

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  15. chdot
    Admin

    The article linked at the top of this thread says -

    "a series of new cycle networks, a single national route from John O’Groats to Dumfries and Galloway, and the creation of new events are among the ideas under discussion."

    Which would be good - though I suspect Sustrans thinks one already exists.

    But unless SG is willing to pay for it...

    Also -

    "It is also hoped the campaign will make it easier for cyclists to take their bikes on to public transport"

    Again, this "campaign" has a good wish list that has been around for ages. Trains already take bikes but there is not always enough capacity or flexibility. Some buses take bikes. It would be nice to think this new grouping (serviced by someone working two days a month) will be successful.

    And -

    "as well as help encourage Scots to explore their own country more"

    Well yes. GOOD routes out of Edinburgh would be a start.

    Edinburgh's link to Midlothian's railway path to Loanhead (and beyond) is finally due this year - though the on-road details are also important.

    How about a 'friendly' section between the end of the Innocent and Musselburgh and upgraded paths from west from Edinburgh Park.

    The tram to the airport could/SHOULD have included a cyclepath. The Borders Rail line COULD have a bike link under the bypass (still to be built) but I don't think it's in the plan.

    Etc.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. The Borders railway should have had a cycle path nearby for the entire length!

    Shortsightedness mutter grumble.

    Of course it's not all 'either / or'. It's undoubted that the mountain bike centres get people to the country to ride. In the same way some beautiful off-road routes, that yeah, families may drive to to access, I've got no problem with and can help local economies. And then on a 'living every day with cycling' point of view the good cycling links to all this various stuff is essential - some may be segregated (like in towns where it can be managed), some will require on-road amendment (retrofitting indeed), others will come from new development actually being forced to take into account the needs and benefits of cycling.

    We can't say segregated is bad; we can't say retrofitting is bad; we can't even say people driving to places to take their bikes for a ride is bad (gonna start a new thread on that); we can say that people on bikes is good.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'm glad we've got such a subcommittee of geniuses from the department of pointing out the bl***dy obvious. It makes me optimistic for the future.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. Rabid Hamster
    Member

    Integrate, integrate! Bike path through Sherriffhall tunnel! Smooth out 'kinks' and bad joints in quiet cycle routes! Make transport hubs multi-facetted! Motorised vehicle kills cyclist = immediate loss of licence/life ban!

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  19. chdot
    Admin

    "
    More than £5 million a year has been ringfenced for the annual promotional drives

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/scottish-year-of-tourism-campaigns-to-go-on-1-2819828

    So that's 2020 the year of cycling then - to coincide with the achievement of the '10% of journeys' target/aspiration.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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