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  1. chdot
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    Random find on YouTube

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    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
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    In chdot's video, I could be wrong but just as the locomotive passes the regulator appears to be shut as the exhaust disappears (this could just be a trick of the light through). This would explain the disappointing lack of steam observed by SRD.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Arellcat
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    Just south of Dalmeny Junction on the outward bound run this evening:


    Flattening the hills

    and County of Essex on the back:

    No Essex please, we're British

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. kaputnik
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    I now have a theory that they are closing the regulator and cutting off the steam before passing under bridges, I've seen quite a few video clips from today at quite a few different locations (including one where someone runs across to other side of the bridge to catch it from both sides) and in each of them the white exhaust dissapears a few seconds before passing under the bridge only to re-appear on the other side.

    If that's the case then *thumbs nose*, SPOILSPORTS!

    P.S. Arellcat - full marks for the pun on your second photo there.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. Arellcat
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    Is this the post rehab 'normal'? Will it always run with diesel assist to protect fragile systems from excessive pressure?

    I've been doing some reading on this, and there are actually several reasons for having the diesel on the back.

    1) It's often a condition of insurance to have a rescue engine, to avoid blocking the line if the steam loco has a failure. It might run out of water, damage a bearing, the boiler might prime, it might have a catastrophic slip on wet leaves, a small Welsh dragon might be found inside the firebox...
    2) A diesel loco can provide electrical power if the carriages have electric heating (and/or air conditioning) rather than olde tyme steam heating.
    3) A diesel loco can provide braking effort (and resilience), because some vintage carriages are vacuum braked rather than air braked.
    4) Adding some tractive effort means the steam locomotive needn't work quite as hard. While this isn't good from a smoke and steam poin of view, it reduces the likelihood of sparks and cinders coming from the grate and starting lineside fires. This can also be an insurance requirement.
    5) Since there are few places to allow a steam loco to run around its own train, the diesel can do the towing out of sidings or platforms. Apparently it's against railway rules for a steam loco to propel its train past more than one signal.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. chdot
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    Not mine, but a good long view

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  7. gembo
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    Was hoping for some steam action out the office window this morning but think I am part of a walking group moving from moredun to gilmerton. Any PVg registered folk on here that can volunteer (school start and end time slots are available) PM me. It is one of the PPP schools who can't get parents but at least they are walking and not busing.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. SRD
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    Tomorrow, I think Gembo. Today FS is ar Bo'ness.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. cb
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    A great place for watching on the south sub is from the grounds of the Astley Ainslie.

    You can almost reach out and touch the track. Pretty good view up and down the line too.

    https://flic.kr/p/GhC9Kb

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. chdot
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  11. SRD
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    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Stickman
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    Someone asked upthread if it will be passing Balgreen tomorrow morning. Does anyone know?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. chdot
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  14. urchaidh
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    Footbridge at Portobello East yesterday afternoon...

    (Bigger)

    Had been turned at Niddrie so we got to see it the right way round.

    Lamentable lack of steam too, may just have been coasting through he junction or it may be the 'no steam under bridges' thing mentioned earlier. Started 'chuffing' about 100m up the line.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. SRD
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    @stickman @chdot my kids have set their alarm clock!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. weezee
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    @cb Astley Ainsley spot looks perfect for us for tomorrow morning. Much better than the corner of West Powburn that I'd earmarked. My alarm is set and juniors have been warned that if they're not dressed, I'm going without them

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. SRD
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    Lots of steam this morning - will upload pics & video

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  18. urchaidh
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    From Fishwives Causeway, on its way south this morning...

    (image a bit wide, link)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. chrisfl
    Member

    Failed to get boys dressed and out in time this morning. But we did see the steam from out living room windows. Probably just a few seconds ahead of SRD's video.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. weezee
    Member

    We arrived trackside in the Astley Ainsley just in time. Not much steam. I only had time to jump up and down and wave like a muppet (Who was I waving to? Carriages were empty). Mr Weezee got some photos which I'll upload this evening. I'm still ridiculously overexcited by the whole thing. If I'd been wearing a red petticoat I would have been waving it like Roberta. The position was fantastic because we got the full multi-sensory effect from being so close.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. Arellcat
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    The tractive effort is strong with this one.

    :>

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. weezee
    Member

    Blackford 17th May 7:05am

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. Tulyar
    Member

    This may be slightly OTT/safety paranoia, but since Wood Green (Ally Pally) Tunnel incident described here https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/410862/120919_B042012_Wood_Green.pdf there may be an enforced protocol for travelling under any structure where back pressure may adversely affect conditions in the driving cab. The main issue is obviously entering a long tunnel at speed with firebox doors open.

    Additionally whilst all heritage locomotives passed to operate on main line railways must have a full signalling interface equivalent to all modern trains, the loss of forward vision as the exhaust steam fills the space under the bridge is an avoidable hazard for most situations, and one which, given the propensity for prospective Darwin Award candidates to be on the track makes the need for clear forward vision a key safety point.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Tulyar
    Member

    PS The revised TSI for rail vehicles now accommodates rail vehicles without the need for those yellow 'bibs', but to do this the trains MUST have 3 LED lights on the front, including the 'Cyclops' light over the centre of the cab.

    Thanks to the engineering innovation that has focussed through the A1Steam project, most heritage locomotives now sport buffer-beam and tender lamps which have the outside appearance of the originals, but are in fact powerful LED units, and presumably make the approaching train appear, at night, to be little different from any modern one.

    For more detail on signalling its worth reading the interim report on how to mess things up which saw the West Coast Railway Co banned from operating trains earlier this year. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/469145/151019_Wootton_Bassett_web_update.pdf

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. Arellcat
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    Just a wee heads up for the Deltic Borderer II, which runs on Saturday 18th of June. York to Edinburgh, then Tweedbank and back, then back to York. I don't think the RTT timings are published yet.

    Also, a long-term heads up for Sunday steam trips (and spotting) on the Borders Railway. No. 46100 Royal Scot will be running in August, and no. 60009 Union of South Africa will be running in September.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    "I don't think the RTT timings are published yet."

    No, but there is a 'missing' ScotRail train on that day - 13:22

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    "

    The trips have been confined to Sundays - between 7 August and 25 September - to avoid the need to cancel regular ScotRail services because the line is largely single track. Fewer trains run on Sundays.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/steam-trains-to-return-to-the-borders-railway-in-august-1-4154163

    (Not Fife of course!)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Till's Bookshop, east end of the Meadows:

    bookstore window 01 by byronv2, on Flickr

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    "Also, a long-term heads up for Sunday steam trips (and spotting) on the Borders Railway. No. 46100 Royal Scot will be running in August"

    It's arrived -

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U50722/2016/08/04/advanced

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. Arellcat
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