Ok I'm really not one for "having a go" at people for their antisocial behaviour but I did have a polite word with a persistent double parker today simply because of the reactions she instills in other drivers who get angry at her selfishly and badly parked Skoda and speed round it without a care to others coming out of a primary school. She naturally took offense and tried to make me feel bad about the fact that she has a disability and there wasn't anything I could do about it anyway and she didn't think it was dangerous. I said in that case the only thing I can think of is to photograph her car every time she parks there and build up a wee portfolio then send it to the police. I took the first photo. She didn't like that and drove away...... jeeszo!!!
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Double parking outside school at crossing... Dangerous or not Dangerous
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Posted 11 years ago #
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What's the script with blue badge users and double yellow lines? I've always thought that double yellows were painted in the road primarily to prevent people parking in places where their stationary car would threaten the safety of others (for instance, near junctions). And yet a local blue badge holder regularly parks on a double yellow at a junction which significantly restricts sight lines for drivers, cyclists and peds and increases the risk of an incident.
Does the fact that someone is less mobile than the rest of us allow them to increase the risks associated with navigating that bit of road for everyone else?
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"And yet a local blue badge holder regularly parks on a double yellow at a junction which significantly restricts sight lines for drivers, cyclists and peds and increases the risk of an incident."
I have this regularly at two corners on my ride to school/work. I've asked for 'bars' on the double yellows on the basis that it blocks my line of sight, and been refused.
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@recombo - THANKS!
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I took the first photo. She didn't like that and drove away....
Result then?
The more you engage with people the more they have excuses why their behaviour is justified. You have maybe got her thinking though that it might be better to park more carefully... It's a thankless task but someone's got to do it.
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I've always thought that double yellows were painted in the road primarily to prevent people parking in places where their stationary car would threaten the safety of others
RTA 1988 says that "Where a traffic sign…has been lawfully placed on or near a road, a person driving or propelling a vehicle who fails to comply with the indication given by the sign is guilty of an offence."
and
"If a person in charge of a vehicle causes or permits the vehicle or a trailer drawn by it to remain at rest on a road in such a position or in such condition or in such circumstances as to involve a danger of injury to other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence." (also see HWC rule 242)
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, diagram 1018.1 (double yellows) "may be placed on or near a road only to indicate the effect of an Act, order, regulation, byelaw or notice (“the effect of a statutory provision”) which prohibits or restricts the use of the road by traffic."
Disabled badge holders must still obey loading prohibitions (diagram 638, "No loading at any time"). Diagram 639.1B can be modified with 661A ("Disabled badge holders only") to give specific instructions. There is no variation to the regs that permit badge holders to ignore double yellow lines. The only exception permitted is stopping in a lay-by in an emergency.
SRD, what kind of 'bars'? Diagram 1018.1 relates to waiting and stopping, and must terminate in a transverse line to the dimensions in TSRGD and painted on the road. Bars on the kerb itself refer to loading and unloading, and those have their own minutia.
Double yellow lines mean that you cannot wait or park at any time. You may stop to load (or unload) your passengers, and you may stop to load or unload your cargo; the vehicle in these cases is 'in use'. Exceptions to these cases are shown by loading restrictions marked by the yellow lines on the edge of the kerb. Loading is distinct from ‘parking’ or ‘waiting’, for which the vehicle must be stopped, without cause for passengers or cargo, and regardless of whether or not the vehicle is occupied by the driver.
The only times you may park on a double yellow line are therefore if you need to change a flat tyre, if the police have instructed you to, or if it is an emergency.
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Arrelcat - the exemptions for disabled badge holders are not in the regs TSRGD but in the local traffic order, as required by Traffic Orders (Exemptions for Disabled Persons) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1991/2714/regulation/4/made
More info for blue badge users, including where not to park, is at http://www.directscot.org/Documents/Rights%20and%20Responsibilities%20of%20a%20Blue%20Badge%20Holder.pdfPosted 11 years ago # -
Why does having a disability mean you need to wait on double yellow lines? Surely if you have got into your car and are fit and able to drive it around then you can wait in it any old place?
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@kaptunik
Because the disabled person doesn't have to be driving
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@edd1e_h quite - but in this case they were, or claimed to be, I was just wondering why that meant that they had to be sitting around on double yellow lines, not going anywhere?
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What frustrates me is the car that is parked on double yellows regularly - ie every day - and which I see being used by people in nearby tenement to drop kids at school etc. My sense is that they just use that double-yellowed spot as a very convenient parking spot, more or less right outside their staircase, rather than the disabled spot a little further away, or a 'normal' residents permit spot. It doesn't seem to be a case of someone stopping there so they can visit the clinic or chemist, which I could understand, but just a convenient 'regular' spot to park. I don't think this is what the legislation allowing waiting and parking on double yellows was meant for.
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