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Cyclists - get off and push!

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  • Started 11 years ago by Morningsider
  • Latest reply from crowriver

  1. Morningsider
    Member

    A road sign next to the bottom end of the contraflow system for the interminable road works on Holyrood Road has appeared which states:

    "Cyclists dismount and use footway"

    Very, very annoying. I'm almost certain it won't have any legal backing, is there a Temporary Traffic Regulation Order banning uphill cycling at this point?

    Basically, it's saying - You cyclists are too slow and getting in the way of real traffic, so get off and push.

    Model. Cycling. City

    Just for the record - I didn't dismount and carried on cycling, much to the apparent displeasure of a guy in a beaten up old Fiesta.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Yeah well, f**k the guy in the Fiesta!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. Dave
    Member

    Surely it should say: "Drivers MUST not overtake unless safe to do so" instead.

    But as you say, this is Edinburgh. Model Cycling City.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. EddieD
    Member

    Surely they'd have to use a red circle, white field, bike symbol with black line through it to have the status of an order.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    I got off and pushed this morning but only because the entirity of the westbound green sequence was blocked by stationary cars and a bus heading east but unable to get clear of the one-way section. The car in front of me went through on red after the stoppage was cleared.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. Min
    Member

    They have the same at Eyre Place which is being dug up for re-laying at the moment. Fornicate off I say.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Roibeard
    Member

    @EddieD - no black line...

    Robert

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. ARobComp
    Member

    I saw one of these on the A7 on my route back in from my saturday ride. It was completely insane. I think it might be some way of the contractors absolving them of responsibility should their roadworks cause an accident?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    I'm still waiting to see one like this:


    A0iP2X9CIAAcDRm by Cycling Mollie, on Flickr

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    @Cyclingmollie, reminds me of that scene in 'Get Carter'. "Carter! Your car needs a wash!"

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. DaveC
    Member

    I often get off and push. I ride upto the red light, get off, cross on the green man with other peds, remount when through the junction & continue on my bike. You couldn't get out your car and push it through a redlight.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. Coxy
    Member

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    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. Morningsider
    Member

    For consistency, there is now an identical sign at the top of the road works. Madness - bikes are generally quicker than the cars on the way down here.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. DaveC
    Member

    Thanks I'd forgotten about that episode!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    How is there room for motor vehicles and not for a bike?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. Dave
    Member

    (sorry):

    Dave McCraw ‏@david_mccraw 14h

    @CllrJimOrr @LAHinds , is 'get off and push' really the best a model cycling city can offer its residents? http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9998

    Lesley Hinds ‏@LAHinds 2h

    @david_mccraw I will check this out and her back in touch with you

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. Uberuce
    Member

    @kaputnik It's because cars are faster than bikes. Always. Thus bikes would slow down cars.

    It's one of those beliefs that is entirely impervious to something as trivil as empirical evidence to the contrary.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. DaveC
    Member

    Shurely Shome Mishtake!! Slower cars = safer roads. No?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    CEC says -

    "contractor has agreed to remove the signs and should be down by
    the end of today."

    CCE strikes again.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. DaveC
    Member

    Good!! Why companies think they can invent their own road signs is beyond me!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. lionfish
    Member

    Good work people - but who's the contractor? I noticed Tarmac (boo!) had done a similar thing down nearish to Stockbridge/New Town (was there a thread about that too?).

    Who decided to put them there in the first place?

    To be honest, this city is not going to be a 'Model Cycling City' with a transport convenor who refuses to cycle! (Imagine the response if she said that she refused to use buses or refused to walk anywhere?!).

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. Morningsider
    Member

    Excellent work - thanks to Dave (and anyone else who raised this with the Council).

    I'm not sure who the contractors are - I was told by someone in the know that the road works are something to do with Edinburgh Uni extending their district heating system.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "this city is not going to be a 'Model Cycling City' with a transport convenor who refuses to cycle"

    She doesn't refuse, she's genuinely scared.

    Her 'greatest fear' is Crewe Toll roundabout - which is understandable.

    She knows there are off-road routes near her and she has had offers to help/teach her.

    I am confident that she will one day.

    But I'm sure she keep travelling mostly by bus.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. Not sure we need a transport convenor who cycles. Obviously it helps with understanding, but she can't be au fait with every mode of transport and their needs, which is where advisors and seeking input from groups comes in.

    We don't insist that the government minister for defence has been a serving soldier, or the foreign minister has lived in every country he could have to deal with, or the chancellor is able to count without running out of fingers.

    Same goes for transport. But what we do need are people who will listen and act. And actually, having a convenor who has said she's too scared to cycle can and could work in cycling's favour as she clearly directly understands the concerns of many.

    I think the issue here appears to have been entirely with the contractors, and as soon as the council have been informed... the signs are coming down.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Not sure we need a transport convenor who cycles.

    Agree with this, it's a right / priveledge to cycle, not an obligation. Obviously it's great if he/she "understands" or "get's it". I'd rather they got the bus and found cycling a nice thing but that Edinburgh's a bit too scary for it in practice (might get things done that way) than drove a Chelsea Tractor and thought cycle lanes get in the way of parking it in town.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. lionfish
    Member

    @Anth: Yeah, in this case it's clearly to do with the contractors, I was just feeling a bit annoyed by the feebleness in general of the city! Especially when I saw these signs at two different roadworks.

    I'm not sure the metaphor works well regarding the defence minister - they're considerably more distant from purchasing decisions etc. The transport convenor is the equivalent of an officer, or something. They're much closer to the ground & need to make quite direct decisions (e.g. whether to introduce a 20mph speed limit, whether parking cars on-top of bike lanes is a good idea, etc). The minister for transport merely needs to point money at different projects and not worry about the implementation details.

    Still, maybe I went a bit far, I see your point that IF they're a good enough listener and can reflect other people's opinions then they would do a good job - indeed I guess that's the role of politicians.

    She didn't seem to think the fact she was too frightened to cycle was a serious issue... speaking to her at the bike breakfast last year didn't give me much hope: E.g. She didn't seem to get how important infrastructure like a segregated cycle lane up Leith walk would help in making it nicer/safer for cyclists, but maybe I caught her at a bad time.

    On the more general point, regarding being 'good listeners' etc. I think it's important politicians do more than that: It's never clear what to do when a majority threatens a minority (e.g. trying to get the government to follow up on its report into discrimination against Scottish Gypsy Travellers has been very slow).

    @kaputnik: Good point it could be a lot worse!

    Thanks all - I think I've had my mind changed a little :)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    Chelsea Tractor

    Surely Trinity Tank or Grange Gondola?

    Posted 11 years ago #

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