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Cramond to Porty boardwalk/promenade

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Thought I'd do a web site.

    http://edprom.wordpress.com

    Work in progress.

    Suggestions/contributions welcome.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. Focus
    Member

    Nice start, but your second CyleStreets route currently throws up Error 404: page not found

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks - just a space after the link URL!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. Radgeworks
    Member

    I rode this route on January 10th, Roseburn, Cramond, Granton, Leith, Porty, Duddingston, the Bridges,Scotland St to 5ways, Roseburn.
    Roseburn to Cramond NEPN, on road from Davidsons Mains to Cramond, seafront path all the way along to the Gas Works, on Lower Granton Road again until Mckelvie Parade, then on Starbank road again until Portobello Esplanade at Seafield Rd East, through Bath St, up Brighton Place, through Duddingston, Commie Pool, Bridges, to Scotland St, 5 ways, NEPN to Roseburn, only bit i would change is the Brighton Place route, probably extend porty esplanade til Brunstane Burn path THEN head up to Commie Pool. A nice ride, plenty cafe's and things of interest to take in. Took me about 150minutes. Enjoy when you dae this yersels. Radgeworks.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    "plenty cafe's and things of interest to take in"

    Always important!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. LaidBack
    Member

    A dedicated cafe page for dedicated cafe goers?

    Some gaps though. Is there anything at Granton?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. cb
    Member

    "Is there anything at Granton?"

    Was going to say Jaws takeaway (ok so not really a cafe) on Granton Square but looks like it's Jo Jo's now

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. wingpig
    Member

    Porto & Fi almost in Granton.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. Coxy
    Member

    Would Porto&Fi let in a lot of sweaty cyclists?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    If the weather were nice we could always bring a few stoves and brew-up al fresco. I've got 2 Trangia kettles.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. cb
    Member

    Morrisons have a cafe. Not too far off route and only a stones throw from the gasometer which presumably you will be ogling as part of this.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. chdot
    Admin

    One 'problem area' for an interim route is the centre bit, particularly Tollbooth Wynd and Queen Charlotte Street because of the one-way and setts.

    Any suggestions?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. wingpig
    Member

    It's worse in the other direction for that bit, with a longer route over lumpier setts.
    My normal route home is Chancelot Mill sliproad - shellfish cratered North Leith Sands - past OT/O.1 round Ocean Drive to the back end of Constitution St, which has lumpyish setts, but then the southerly continuation of Constitution St is now pleasantly smooth. The bit of Queen Charlotte from the police station to Links Gardens is setted but smooth. Alternatively, a short section of Baltic St/Salamander St means you can go up the cobbled but surprisingly smooth Salamander Place towards Leith Links.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    More words and photos added

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Before the days of the access legislation there used to be a small ferry at Cramond (no bikes).

    More recently there was a 'desire' for a bridge and a detailed report was published 6 years ago.

    The Estate wasn't too keen on the idea and I suspect there was 'no money', but I don't know if the 'ferry option' has been looked at again in any detail.

    "

    5 Summary and Next Steps

    5.1 This report has reviewed options for reinstating a link for pedestrians and cyclists across the River Almond at Cramond.

    5.2 Options for a new bridge were considered. This concluded that there is strong local support for a bridge and that there is a clearly preferred location for a new bridge (which is at or close to the disused wharves that are on the Dalmeny bank). Initial work has shown that it would be feasible to construct a bridge at this location. A new path on the Dalmeny side would be required to link the bridge to the existing path network. Although feasible, this path would be at risk of damage caused by forestry operations undertaken by Dalmeny Estates.

    5.3 Dalmeny Estates have co-operated with this review but have concluded that they could not support the development of a new bridge, citing concerns that increased access to the Estate would cause. The Local Authority may be able to obtain powers to purchase the land to provide a new link, but legal advice would need to be sought to confirm this.

    5.4 An initial assessment of the potential for reinstatement of a ferry at Cramond has been completed. This indicates that a ferry is unlikely to be able to cover its cost for year round operation from passenger revenue. It would be highly unlikely that a ferry service could be made accessible for cycles and wheelchairs, so the benefits of this option are significantly less than for a bridge.

    5.5 The potential for upgrading of the existing riverside path on the east bank of the Almond between Cramond and Cramond Brig has also been undertaken. This has shown that there are no feasible and acceptable means for improving its accessibility for cycles, buggies or wheelchairs.

    5.6 It is clear, however, that a bridge is the only option that could fully achieve the objectives for this review.

    5.7 In order to progress the work undertaken, we recommend that:
    • SEStran agree to continue to pursue the footbridge option, having regard to Dalmeny Estates’ position;
    • The City of Edinburgh Council investigate in detail responsibilities for maintenance of the bridge and footpath links in conjunction with Dalmeny Estates and the associated environmental and planning constraints
    • If a decision not to pursue is taken, decide whether to pursue ferry reinstatement in more detail.

    "

    http://www.sestran.gov.uk/files/Cramond%20Bridge%20feasibility%20study%20final%20report.pdf

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    I always wondered what else the ferryman did. First ferryman after war did not last but then his brother or brother in law took over for forty years until he died. He lived in the house on the West Bank. The ferry had Lot of rules including protected lunch break (which we should all do). The third ferryman was a little grumpy at times, but happy at other times just like the rest of us. Then came the day when some passengers drew his attention to something on the riverbed. He returned and established it was a roman sculpture - Romans at crammond since 140 AD. The ferry was closed in 2000 due to foot and mouth but never reinstated (jetty seen as unsafe). Lord rose berry against a bridge as feels will attract "unsavoury crowd". Happy for ferry if someone else pays.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    "
    North Team (@north_team)
    03/04/2014 11:26
    @CyclingEdin @adamrmcvey @cllrcammyday land nearest Granton Sq owned by GRANTON ASSETS LTD & Cycling tm have contact info for future plan EL

    "

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Recommendations 7 To approve that the Council enters into a contract to purchase the three plots of ground from Granton Assets Ltd for the sum of f25,000on the basis that at the same time the Council enters into a contract with Waterfront Edinburgh Ltd to transfer the same property interests immediately to WEL.

    "

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/5473/waterfront_edinburgh_limited-granton_assets_limited

    That was 2004, so maybe didn't happen??

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Developments up the Almond.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

  22. chdot
    Admin

    This Saturday (don't think we fixed a time...)

    Weather looks promising -

    http://m.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Edinburgh/long.html

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Start place?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. gembo
    Member

    The last trip to the island was fab. We had lashings of ginger beer etc. Alas my lungs not quite back to capacity so must forego the outing. Shame.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Sort of depends.

    Was assuming start at the Almond for 'completeness' of route - but not actually 'much to see' until Gypsy Brae.

    Could meet Cramond - perhaps at the caff or at the caff at bottom of Silverknowes Rd.

    OR could meet (for townward people) at Haymarket.

    Thing we should be (somewhere) on the waterfront by 10:30.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Haymarket at 10? > Roseburn Path > Cramond?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Sounds ideal.

    Then check Twitter (or maybe here) for 'progress'.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. acsimpson
    Member

    If you're heading down the front on a Saturday morning you need to watch out for The Parkrun. Around 500 folk running from Cramond to Gypsy Brae and back. It starts at 9.30 and most of the folk will be out the way by 10.30, although it may still be busy around the Cramond end if the weather is good.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. LaidBack
    Member

    Alas I'm at shop. We have organised an 'Evening at the Proms Ride' as part of EdFoC.
    http://www.edfoc.org.uk/events/event/an-evening-at-the-proms/
    Might not do al the nooks and crannies though as we'll be in a hurry to get to the pub!

    Posted 8 years ago #

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