Weird. I have been getting these memory errors and tried to make that post a couple of times without success. Hmm!
It was an important point though, I'm sure you'll agree. And agree. And agree ;-)
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Who thinks a Cargo Bike Club would be a good idea?
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Posted 13 years ago #
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I'll not pretend to have read every post, so I appologies if I'm repeating someone else but....
I've seen a bike with trailer like a tagalong, single wheel at the back (sorry no photo available) parked at the taxi rank on Waverly bridge, just outside the delivery entrance to Waverly Market. This looks easier than a borrowed bike, as the trailer can be clamped to any bike I own, including my 4 year olds (slave labour is not dead) ;-)
Dave C
Posted 13 years ago # -
Saw one in Morningside place (possibly connected with some tree cutting going on?) the other day like that, but with a different sort of fixing - looked like it attached on both sides of wheel.
I've offered my trailer as loan to those who want it, but it does need a bit on your bike to attach clamp to (EBC design - connected to bit that goes through your wheel). Not speedy transfer, although very stable once attached.
Posted 13 years ago # -
@Dave: "Weird. I have been getting these memory errors and tried to make that post a couple of times without success."
At last it affects someone other than me...Posted 13 years ago # -
just completed this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/60118743@N07/5488780319/76 liter capacity, hopefully pretty waterproof and lockable. :D
Posted 13 years ago # -
"just completed this"
V. nice!
Posted 13 years ago # -
We have an Electra Delivery Bike now...
Posted 13 years ago # -
*glowing with pride*
Posted 13 years ago # -
Looks good, is that the Y shape type under the box? I don't have any bending equipment so i've been meaning to try the flat bed type.
Flat bed type: http://www.carryfreedom.com/bamboo.html only in steel not bamboo.....
Posted 13 years ago # -
Good show Ruggtomcat, is that the one for your European mission?
Posted 13 years ago # -
yup its a Y-frame. Cant believe didn't try this before look!
boxSelfContained by Rtomcat, on FlickrIt fitsinsideitself! Squeeeeeeeeee!
the whole package is fairly heavy on its own, 7/8k maybe, I don't have scales. Let the hill climb training commence!
Posted 13 years ago # -
Steveo will be upset when he sees that you can carry more sandwiches and Bovril in that than his Carradice!
Also needs a couple of bits of tube welded on the outside to hold some brooms and it could be adopted as the CCE cycle-path maintenance trailer?
Posted 13 years ago # -
it may well aquire clips for holding fire staffs so maybe...
Posted 13 years ago # -
Rofl @k'nik rtc's just been promoted to mobile feed station alpha.
Rtc you going to share any build steps?
Posted 13 years ago # -
I'm waiting to see if my build has worked as its a little experimental, a couple weeks hard use and I will come back to you on that.
Initial trial was very satisfying, despite my fears it was very quiet on good tarmac and even buss-lane rumble-strips were fine, the rougher stuff was noisy, but it seemed to cope with everything with aplomb. Didn't like going on cobbles though, could feel/hear the contents bouncing around, some padding on the inside next I recon.
Its *really* fun to pack, just open the lid, throw everything in, close the lid again :D
Posted 13 years ago # -
We have an Electra Delivery Bike now...
And I have ridden it - although I think it's best to describe it as an Electra pedal-powered deckchair and picnic hamper! I'm amazed how light it was.
Posted 13 years ago # -
right at the start of this video is the cargo net trikes i saw last summer... want one!
Posted 13 years ago # -
Bike Station has Bullitts from Harry vs Larry - modern version of proven design (Long John) not sure if they will hire these out for removals etc. Eight freights can be unnervingly flexible and take a bit of getting used to with load behind you I kept falling off trying to turn tight corners at low speed when I first rode one. Pino/Lorri are also good. Bullitts and Bakfiets are raced in on-street circuit in Copenhagen.
Christiania trikes are handy with a variety of front load carriers, and used by ZERO for many London contracts, not sure if same available for hire in Scotland.
Some Cyclus Maximus apparently idle in Glasgow with 6-sheet poster panels on rear frame, not sure if they have load platforms to fit in place of the panels
Trailers do make sense and for long and large loads the Moulton and Brompton small wheels with large platforms front & rear also work well. Standard 4.8m lengths of timber relatively easy to shift around on a Brompton - have moved up to 5.1m this way.
Vittelli Velobedarf (Basle &c) do a very good range - Ruggel's trailer looks very much like one of their standards designed for mopeds and bikes and the biggest carry up to 120Kg (official rating) They have a 30mm ball hitch with snaplock and screw clamp connections for seatpost.
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Posted 8 years ago #
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Haven't got the Cargo Bike Club off the ground yet, but have taken a small step forward, there is now a cargo bike available to hire in Edinburgh.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Any chance of a discount for CCE-ers?
Posted 8 years ago # -
The current hire rate is based on the cost of hiring other bikes in Edinburgh. This is something which may have to be looked at in the future.
From a company point of view, although the company is a not for profit social enterprise, it still has to cover it's costs. The Urban Arrow has been bought with a loan which need to be repaid over time and the bike hire insurance also has to be covered, so there is a limit to how cheaply the bike can be hired.
In the longer term, it is possible that the Cargo Bike Club could be set up as a social enterprise using grant funding to make the capital purchase of the bikes. This would mean that bike could be hired at considerably lower rates, or possible loaded out for free, but there would need to be another revenue stream from somewhere to cover running costs.
Ideas and suggestions welcome.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I'm now trying to think of an excuse to shift some stuff that would need to hire this. Which I don't think is quite the point, but still...
Posted 8 years ago # -
Kim, I think it's a great idea, just that for a personal use I would be unlikely to need it for a full day, so £20 seems quite steep.
e.g. like when you borrowed my trailer - it was just for one trip.
Whereas if I rented a bike for a day or a week, I would probably be using it all day for transport.
Posted 8 years ago # -
A 1/2 day hire could be an option, maybe £10 for four hours? Just trying to find out what works.
Ideally I would like to make it free, but then how would we cover the costs, the insurance alone is over £320 pa, then there are loan repayments at almost £400 pa?
Posted 8 years ago # -
half day option would be good - although perhaps a pain for you to manage.
totally understand need to cover costs.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Could I use it to transport horse manure from Cowpits to Musselburgh? Will it have a suitable liner or indeed restrictions on its use?
Posted 8 years ago # -
@Cyclingmollie
Under the term of hire: "The Hirer agrees to return the cycle(s) to EdFoC in the same condition received", also "The Hirer expressly agrees to pay EdFoC on demand the fair market value of repairing damage howsoever caused to the actual cycle(s) supplied."
If you were to use it for such a purpose, you would have to provide your own liner and ensure that the bike was thoroughly cleaned before return. So long as it was returned "in the same condition received" then it would be possible.
Think of it being like a car hire, if you were to return a hire car with obvious signs that you had transport manure, you would expect a hefty bill for cleaning. So you would make sure that you cleaned it up before returning it, so that the hire company wouldn't know what you had used it for.
That said, I am not sure that the Family model of the Urban Arrow would the best cargo bike for that purpose. This is why the plan for the Cargo Bike Club would include other types of bike, i.e. the Bullitt, which would probably better suited to different loads.
I get the feeling that Anth will now go through the hire terms looking for loopholes... ;-)
Posted 8 years ago # -
Thanks Kim, that's quite clear. Probably better to find another way. Since we got rid of the car some jobs have proven hard to do by other means.
The cargo bike would be a great way of dipping your toe in the water of selling artisan foodstuffs at a festival.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Selling selling artisan foodstuffs at a festival, would be a more appropriate use :-)
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