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Leith Walk human-protected bike lane intervention

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  1. emuir
    Member

    Post event suggestion: photograph of people on the current roundabout at Picardy Place "enjoying" the public space. Much like how it will be in the proposed plans.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. McD
    Member

    Spokes and Living Streets have been invited to a meeting with the Tram programme (that is now in charge of Leith Walk) to discuss options. I would welcome feedback/suggestions that we can take to the meeting - mcdbristol116@gmail.com

    The invitation and a couple of PS's are copied below. The original layout is viewable at https://drive.google.com/open?id=1H7eUmpXxKHApy0Tm8scw9zNv5P7UGMm2
    I don't recall these drawings being published previously.

    The Orca's were removed a week or so back with no consultation. Afterwards, they were said to be a trial - the Terms of Reference and success/failure criteria unknown. Glasgow have trialled similar with different options and wrote a whole report - although I've only found the trial definition online.

    Apparently as well as the incidents mentioned in Spokes' Tweet pedestrians had been tripping over them and were in danger of falling into moving traffic!

    Can anyone post some pictures of what was installed?

    The meeting invite:

    As part of the Leith Programme, new cycle ways have recently gone live on Leith Walk, along with the ‘two-stage right turn’ at McDonald Road to help less confident cyclists turn right safely.
    To help make it clear where the cycle lane meets the general traffic road space, ‘soft segregation’ in the form of ‘Orca’ lane separators were introduced on a trial basis at a number of locations.

    However, this four-week trial highlighted that the Orcas may pose an increased safety risk for pedestrians, with reports of some safety issues from pedestrians and cyclists. The Orcas have subsequently been removed and Transport Convener, Councillor Lesley Macinnes, has instructed Council officers to carry out an options analysis to find the most appropriate way of both helping cyclists feel safe while using the dedicated lane and minimising any trip risk for pedestrians. Cllr Macinnes has asked me to lead this.

    A small working group consisting of those copied above met earlier this week to discuss options and agreed that input from SPOKES and Living Streets into discussions at an early stage would be very helpful. I am therefore looking to arrange a meeting for some time next week for us to discuss the options and hopefully reach a consensus.

    PS Please find attached drawing showing the orcas and where they were installed during trial period. The purpose of installing the orcas was to delineate where the cycle lane meets the general traffic road space and were not installed as a safety measure.

    PPS What l meant was the orcas were not installed at these locations in response to any specific safety concern, I agree they are used as a protection measure.

    Rob Leech
    Project Director
    Edinburgh Tram York Place to Newhaven

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. McD
    Member

    Found these of my own :) - any more?

    Orcas on Leith Walk

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Rob
    Member

    "helping cyclists feel safe while using the dedicated lane"

    Strange wording. The problem isn't that we feel unsafe using the lane without the little bumps but that we're completely unable to use it due to parked cars.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. Stickman
    Member

  6. Klaxon
    Member

    I can’t make it tomorrow

    Have fun all

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Is it a legal requirement to have a quote from Ian Maxwell in any Edinburgh cycling story?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. McD
    Member

    Rob, can you let me know where the Orcas would have prevented parking? Any pictures of the problems would help.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. McD
    Member

    I were right about that saddle. Yes!
    He is the press contact for Spokes and contacts others in the relevant Spokes Groups either to respond himself or for them to respond depending on situation. In this instance he contacted me and I was able to let him know about the forthcoming meeting.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    The demonstration, organised by resident group Protection Not Paint, concerns the removal of physical segregation on Leith Walk between its new cycle lanes and the rest of the road.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/campaigners-to-form-human-chain-to-highlight-leith-cycle-lane-safety-1-4639960

    ‘resident group’, so not the “all powerful cycling mafia” then?

    That’s good!

    So is this -

    But transport convener Lesley Macinnes said work was already well under way to agree upon and install new measures.

    She said: “Since removing the armadillos last week we have established a working group with Sustrans to investigate alternative options, and it was unanimously agreed that ‘hard’ physical barriers should be installed to ensure the safety of cyclists.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. unhurt
    Member

    Press release intentionally low on use of "cyclists"...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. Big Christmas bash tonight but fully intend to get along tomorrow.

    Having said that, any bash which has Irvine Welsh and Bill Drummond on the guest list is liable to get messy. Or at least finish on a different day to the one it started, so no promises.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. unhurt
    Member

    I have a work Xmas do as well. But I think I'd rather come to yours!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Trixie
    Member

    Am I right in thinking that until this protest was organised, the council were indicating that brighter paint would be plenty. Now suddenly they're unanimous for hard segregation. Why does it take such effort for them to do the blatantly right thing?!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. @unhurt

    It would seem tickets are still available...

    https://snowblinder.brownpapertickets.com/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    Lesley Macinnes:

    "When this issue arose I asked officials to reinstate segregation. Following discussion with @SustransScot I am pleased to say we will be putting wands in place by c. end Jan, subject to further discussion with @LivingStreetsEd and @SpokesLothian"

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

  18. HankChief
    Member

    Whoop whoop. Well done all & good luck tomorrow.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. Frenchy
    Member

  20. Stickman
    Member

    Will they be the length of the lanes to stop any parking on them or just at the ends?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    “Well done all”

    Yes, though it’s hard to know who/what made the difference.

    It’s clear that LM is very keen on ActiveTravel and understands ‘the issues’ - and some of the ‘difficulties’/‘oppositions’.

    Which is not saying ‘it’s fine no need for any more campaigning’.

    As has been said on CCE many times ‘it’s not (just) about cycling’.

    It’s very much about people - and how they travel, live, shop, work etc.

    More people thinking about what they want for themselves, friends, families and visitors - and saying so, and telling politicians - is obviously a good thing.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. dougal
    Member

    Yes this seems like an excellent change of direction. I was off work today and spent some time out and about in Leith.

    Some more photos of vehicles parked half-on-pavement, half-on-cycle-lane today, in the very section that will hopefully be protected by the magic wands:

    https://twitter.com/dougalstanton/status/941625076654530560

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. unhurt
    Member

    Great stuff, cheers!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. McD
    Member

    Stickman and others - no, not the length of the lanes - just where the lanes end and cyclists merge with traffic - see PS from Rob Leech in my previous post "The purpose of installing the orcas was to delineate where the cycle lane meets the general traffic road space ". One of the problems with all this is that the cycle lanes are not mandatory, so I assume that they can't install continuous separation. Normally Orcas etc would be installed with manadatory lanes and continuous white lines on either side - making them more visible. Mandatory lanes don't need a TRO, I think, so solid white lines could be used. Theoretically a solid white line cannot be crossed so also means no parking and is enforceable by police, but they tend only to be used when backed up by double yellow lines that do need a TRO but are more easily enforceable (again theoretical!).
    I understand that there is an aspiration to get full segregated cycle lanes (that don't permit permit parking) down Leith Walk as part of the tram extension programme. This must be kept on the Agenda.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. wingpig
    Member

    Easier to avoid a pigeon in a segregated lane than a delivery van and taxi on the painted section.

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    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. Rob
    Member

    @McD https://goo.gl/maps/7bYEBoDRAyP2 this is the section I use where orcas were removed. They seemed to be doing a reasonable job of preventing parking though I admit not having a very large sample.

    I did see at least one lorry parked outside the orcas to unload, something inconceivable without them. I've also seen a few cars parked in the lane since their removal vs only one taxi while they were there.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. Stickman
    Member

    Good numbers - nearly 50 now, so we're on both sides of the road

    Strong CCE turnout.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. crowriver
    Member

    I hope someone is taking photos! Sorry I can't make it...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. Stickman
    Member

    Loads of photos taken.

    Probably closer to 100 by the end.

    Excellent event and lots of heartening support from passers by, including a big thumbs up from a taxi driver.

    Well done everyone.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "Loads of photos taken.

    Probably closer to 100 by the end."

    I read that quickly -

    '100 photos' - that's good.

    OH, 100 PEOPLE.

    That's VERY good!

    Posted 2 years ago #

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