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  1. chdot
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    The next arrival was that of the Caledonian Railway, who opened a station called Leith in 1869 on a rather circuitous line around the North and West of the city from Princes Street Station via Roseburn and Newhaven. It would be renamed North Leith in 1903. To get around the confusion of two rival North Leith stations being a few hundred metres from each other on the same street, most maps stuck with Leith for the Caley station and North Leith for the NBR. To locals it would just have been the Caley and North British stations.

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    https://threadinburgh.scot/2022/11/16/the-thread-about-the-baffling-naming-of-leith-railway-stations-know-your-north-leith-from-your-leith-north-which-south-leith-is-which-and-whether-leith-walk-west-or-leith-walk-east-is-westernmost/

    Posted 1 month ago #

  2. chdot
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    He said the new line had accelerated growth in North Edinburgh, bringing investment to the city, which encouraged him about the plans for a new north-south tram line running from Granton to the Royal Infirmary and BioQuarter.

    "That's really why we want to push ahead with that second tramline - to accelerate growth, investment in homes, communities and in jobs in the city and in the wider city region."

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    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-trams-residents-have-fallen-in-love-with-trams-since-newhaven-line-opened-claims-scott-arthur-4599060

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  3. gembo
    Member

    Was off to work down Muirhouse today Nice stencils Save The Roseburn Path

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  4. chdot
    Admin

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  5. neddie
    Member

    If “growth” is a “factor” and “increasing growth” is “exponential”, then what is “accelerating growth”? An “exponential exponential”?

    Seems unlikely to be possible according to the physics of a finite planet and certainly not compatible with preventing climate breakdown

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  6. chdot
    Admin

    Yeah well, (most) politicians have little concept of finite - or growth (beyond ‘we need growth to pay for stuff’).

    Not convinced he said this “the new line had accelerated growth in North Edinburgh”

    Doesn’t make sense.

    Then again…

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  7. chdot
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    Spokes Public Mtg: Granton Tramline
    Wed 5 June in @edfoc

    Details-> http://www.spokes.org.uk/2024/04/spokesmtg-the-granton-tramline/

    Speakers:
    Roseburn not Road: @LAHinds
    Road not Roseburn: #EuanBaxter
    #Cycling aspects: @AvGeekAlex
    #PublicHealth aspects: @Adrian4Davis
    QA chair: @BoydJohanna1

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    https://x.com/spokeslothian/status/1783137494399087018?

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  8. chdot
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    He added: "At night, when the path is not so user-friendly to cyclists, even though it’s lit up, the presence of trams might be an addition to the safety of cyclists."

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    https://web.archive.org/web/20240424035836/https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/roseburn-path-the-battle-over-whether-an-old-edinburgh-rail-line-should-become-a-tram-route-4602356

    Ah yes, useful word “might”…

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

  9. neddie
    Member

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

  10. neddie
    Member

    Looks like someone (the Council?) have removed all of the "Save the Roseburn path" signs on the lampposts, and even the cloth appliqued banner, which seems a bit mean

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

  11. stiltskin
    Member

    That’s a very clever spoof & certainly got people’s attention. Opposition is beginning to get organised!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

  12. Yodhrin
    Member

    Not quite so clever for the people who ended up unable to access it.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

  13. edinburgh87
    Member

    Creative- but the orange plastic mesh seems to have been dumped in the verge which isn’t great.if it’s still there next time I pass I’ll remove it.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin



    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/7pDFnstFzX9b2Ejo/?mibextid=K35XfP

    Posted 1 week ago #

  15. Dave
    Member

    Interesting. I think we could all get behind reallocating the city deal money for Sheriffhall onto a new tram line that runs out to Dalkeith....

    Posted 1 week ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-north-south-tram-route-public-meeting-will-hear-both-sides-of-debate-on-roseburn-path-v-orchard-brae-4623865

    (Spokes meeting)

    Posted 4 days ago #

  17. Morningsider
    Member

    I know I keep banging on about this, but the Cabinet Secretary's letter seems to confirm my view this is a fantasy project. She says (I assume in relation to the £44m needed for tram business case development):

    ...such support from the Scottish Government is not affordable in the current climate.
    The suggestion that City Region Deal cash could plug the gap is nonsense. UK and Scottish Government investment in the Deal totals £600m, 50% of which has already been spent.

    The £140m slated for transport in the Deal includes £120m for Sheriffhall. If this was redirected to the tram project then it could fund the business case development but is nowhere near enough to fund construction.

    The Scottish Government's transport capital budget for the next 10 years is effectively consumed by A9 dualling, A83 upgrade and other smaller road projects. I doubt the Council could afford the annual payments on a £2bn private finance deal, even over 30 years they would possibly amount to 5% plus of the city's total annual budget.

    Posted 4 days ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

    “I assume in relation to the £44m needed for tram business case development“

    Ah

    I had assumed she was referring to the ‘next stage’.

    I thought SA was saying business case money had been ‘agreed’.

    Ok, something like ‘strong indications’.

    Ok

    So

    SA is involved

    Mmm

    Posted 4 days ago #

  19. Claggy Cog
    Member

    If it is not viable due to limits on funding why is the possibility of it happening still being discussed.

    Either it's a red herring for citizenry to take their eyes off the ball, the councillors have nothing else to discuss or plan that might actually improve things, so kick the can down the road whilst drawing a salary?

    It's like bolting the stable door. Move on.

    Time to actually have our council tax go towards something tangible and beneficial.

    Consultations around failings ramble on for years, no end in sight, all the while "participants" being paid. Such a waste of resources.

    Posted 4 days ago #

  20. toomanybikes
    Member

    Wow. As much as I like the Leith extension, 2 billion seems hard to justify. If you think it'll optimistically benefit half of the city's residents, that's about £8k per user, before considering the cost of fares. Still a better deal than A9 dualling mind.

    Also comparing it to council spending, but not including transport for Edinburgh's budget is maybe a bit misleading. £180m turnover and 3 million capital spending in 2022, which is still miles off.

    Posted 4 days ago #

  21. Claggy Cog
    Member

    Why waste £44m on a business case study (BCS) anyway if there is no capital available to even start the project. Imagine how many potholes could be fixed making cycling in and around Edinburgh far less hazardous for that amount of money. Imho better spent on that than a BCS.

    Posted 4 days ago #

  22. Dave
    Member

    At the council's own pricing, the business case alone will cost as much as rolling out a network of 400km (yes, four hundred) of light segregation..

    Posted 4 days ago #

  23. neddie
    Member

    Or 44 miles of good quality urban segregation. We could have 4 cross-city routes covering Musselburgh to Queensferry, Leith to Pencuik, and a couple of diagonal or circular routes to throw in too

    Posted 4 days ago #

  24. Dave
    Member

    Isn't west Edinburgh link only getting from Sighthill to Clovenstone for £20m? That's only a few km.

    Posted 3 days ago #

  25. chdot
    Admin

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    Street had an ambitious public transport plan which Parker said he is combing over to separate the stuff that is already in motion from that which is just “visionary”.

    “I want my focus in the next four years to be on delivery,” he said. “I really don’t at this point in time want to have a lot of the people around me diverting time and energy on to things that will never happen, or are very unlikely to happen.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/14/emotionally-exhausting-richard-parker-on-his-surprise-mayoral-win

    Posted 3 days ago #

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