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TdF 2013

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  1. There used to be a female TdF (the Grand Boucle), that Nicole Cooke won in 2007, and Emma Pooley won in 2009, but I think that was the last year it ran. Real struggles to get sponsorship.

    Now. Time trial bikes. Basically they are really really fast, but very uncomfortable. They are designed to be ridden leaning really far forward to be aerodynamic, but that means that they are horrible to ride uphill, and also they don't turn very well, so coming down a mountain on one would be difficult. I think.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. ARobComp
    Member

    There is definitely a women's race this year or something along those lines (maybe not the same route) however I can't remember what it's called. Will keep an eye on the twitters and see if I can find out and point @SRD in the right direction.

    Two quotes from yesterdays TDF that tickled me somewhat. I'll just C+P my tweets for the first one:
    1) David Millar

    "Ned clichès at @millarmind "the race really begins now" - awesome answer of "it really began on saturday Ned...." #tdf @itvcycling"

    2) Cavendish speaking about his illness last week and the crashes of teammates etc.

    "....at least I've got all my skin left"

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    "they don't turn very well, so coming down a mountain on one would be difficult. I think."

    Ah, I thought they were more dangerous to ride in a bunch because of the steering.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    And today's fuss is about someone else who wants to keep riding with a serious injury -

    "

    Not surprisingly, he was quickly dropped by his Cannondale team-mates but battled on on his own and finished in 32 minutes 32 seconds. He was just seven seconds outside the cut-off established by Tour officials under the ruling that means riders have to finish within 25% of their team's time, but they showed him no mercy. King is out of the Tour.

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. fimm
    Member

    They're also more dangerous in a bunch because they've got various bits that stick out (like the gear changers) that would be nasty if you were involved in a pile-up - I believe this is why it isn't advisable/allowed to ride one in a group (but I could be wrong).

    TT bikes also have different frame angles to enable you to put more power through the pedals.

    The other thing is that the brakes are on the wide out bars, so if you are in the aero position with your hands forward, you have to move away from that position to brake...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    I do wonder how much longer Geraint Thomas can keep going with a fractured pelvis. Which is preferable? The crushing disappointment and psychological blow of having to retire from the Tour? Or enduring pain and potentially making the injury worse by riding on regardless?

    Tough one.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    "
    On Mark Cavendish's prospects today and on Thursday's completely flat 176.5km stage from Aix-en-Provence to Montpellier: "These are definitely for Cav. The next two stages will be for the sprinters, without a doubt. I will be very, very surprised if we don't have two bunch sprints at the finish.

    "We have seen before that Mark can be a little bit of a slow starter in stage races then suddenly once he gets a win under his belt he is almost unbeatable, so let's hope that he gets up and going in Marseille today."

    "
    http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/23154222

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. ARobComp
    Member

    @crowriver - seemingly he won't damage it any more riding (unless he crashes of course!)

    I think the TT bikes are also quite twitchy so therefore would be totally arse if you were in a big group. They are also pretty much useless over about 50km or if you get a strong side wind, or have to go up hills, sprint, or do anything that isn't a TT.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Hmm, wouldn't hold out too much hope for Cavendish today. He is still recovering from a chest infection, strange there is no mention of that in the piece?

    Love TT bikes, always have, just a shame there are too many 'rules' imposed on them now. Really loved the innovation in the 90s with carbon beginning to come to the fore, which brought about the Lotus, and Pinnarello Sword. I know the TT bikes of today are more aerodynamic than those, but where could they have been?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. "Ned clichès at @millarmind "the race really begins now" - awesome answer of "it really began on saturday Ned...." #tdf @itvcycling"

    Was watching when he came out with that one and tickled me too. He just deadpanned it brilliantly.

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  12. chdot
    Admin

    "
    So, here is a picture of the six-man break who are now 12 minutes and 30 seconds clear of the peloton, with 172km of the 228.5km still to go.

    The escapees are: Yukiya Arashiro (Japan) Europcar, Kevin Reza (France) Europcar, Romain Sicard (France) Euskaltel, Thomas De Gendt (Belgium) Vacansoleil, Anthony Delaplace (France) Sojasun, and Alexey Lutsenko (Kazakhstan) Astana.

    "

    Can't say that they are 'household names'!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "
    1307
    Team Sky missing out on yellow was good news for Geraint Thomas and his broken pelvis too. Thomas stayed with the Team Sky squad for 24 of the 25km in Nice (just down the road from his flat in Monaco as it happens) after riding through the pain barrier for a third straight day.

    "I think it's perfect," said Thomas after the time trial. "Of course we'd have liked to have won and be stood on that podium getting the kisses and the flowers, but at the end of the day it means we don't have to ride on the front. It gives me two days to really recover."

    "

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. DaveC
    Member

    listening to ITV coverage on the live stream, with the picture reduced and tucked away in the corner, mostly obsqured by Outlook.. :O) Ssssshhhhhh!!!!!!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. SRD
    Moderator

    someone's hoovering outside my office and i can't hear my very low turned volume anymore. must find the headphones.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. DaveC
    Member

    X wins

    ADMIN EDIT - just in case anyone wants to watch 7:00 round-up in ignorance!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. fimm
    Member

    Well done admin :-)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. SRD
    Moderator

    I was definitely thinking that the topic line should say 'spoiler alert'. We've mostly been watching the highlights - only time kids are allowed to eat while watching telly, but I was weak today.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. But surely you just don't open a thread entitled TdF 2013 if you don't want to run the risk? Surely? I mean, if you're avoiding the results why would you click on this link before having watched the highlights? Honestly? Makes the thread pointless if you can only go into it after 8pm to discuss what's happening that day...

    It's not like that Likely Lads episode, if you don't want to know the result just don't click on this thread's link...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. If Chris Froome was to crash out and not be able to continue tomorrow would that be considered a spoiler and so shouldn't be posted here? Equally, the mention above of the breakaway, is that not a spoiler for those who want to watch the highlights? Or is it just news of who wins? Anything else isn't a spoiler for those watchign the highlights?

    Had the same discussion on Twitter last year. People were complaining of loads of folk giving away what was happening, but those people complaining were friends with loads of people who were into cycling and so were going to be posting about the Tour. So you avoid those situations where you might find out.

    If people are avoiding the whole of twitter to avoid finding out then surely avoiding one thread, very clearly marked as a Tour de France thread, isn't beyond people?

    Sorry, I agree with the majority of admin edits here, but I think this is a bit daft and people should exercise common sense if they're trying to avoid results, which also allows those people who aren't avoiding the results and want to discuss what's happening actually do that in a self-contained non-leaky way.

    Rant over.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. steveo
    Member

    I'd avoid the RSS feed for the BBC, there is nice one line spoiler there too!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. fimm
    Member

    The thing is that this thread had been spoiler-free, if you look at a couple of the comments on the first page they're along the lines of "the highlights will be worth watching" so one might feel it was "safe" to look at the thread because you wouldn't learn the result.

    Twitter is different, likewise if you look at a news page or something. But I think there is a forum etiquette that says that if one is going to include results as they happen then one's thread title should say so - similarly if one is going to discuss a new film, for example.

    (OT - ones or one's? Belonging to one, so one's. I think...)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. fimm
    Member

    The thing is that this thread had been spoiler-free, if you look at a couple of the comments on the first page they're along the lines of "the highlights will be worth watching" so one might feel it was "safe" to look at the thread because you wouldn't learn the result.

    Twitter is different, likewise if you look at a news page or something. But I think there is a forum etiquette that says that if one is going to include results as they happen then one's thread title should say so - similarly if one is going to discuss a new film, for example.

    (OT - ones or one's? Belonging to one, so one's. I think...)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks fimm.

    That's a good explanation of what I was attempting to do.

    I actually wrote a comment in response to WC, but it got stopped in a 'no signal' zone (somewhere north of York).

    Said something like -

    @WC, you are logically right.

    But this year I have got the impression that some people are following this thread who don't want to know the result before the end of 7:00 programme (some nearer 9:00 on ITV4+1!)

    Stages have been won in the last few seconds so news of breakaways or comments on Cav's health don't (pre) affect the actual result.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. sallyhinch
    Member

    As someone who's been watching the highlights, I have been avoiding this thread, but I think that making any spoilers explicit is generally a good thing. I already have to stay away from Twitter from lunchtime onwards and if Froome / Cav do well, avoid the news bulletins as well.

    (@Fimm - I would have said 'ones' by analogy with 'its' and 'yours' but it turns out it's one's by no lesser authority than the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv87.shtml )

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. We're going to have to agree to disagree - past performance is no indication of future performance etc. Yes, the thread may have been spoiler free, but it was the only TdF thread, and there's always a chance that there might be a spoiler in there. Personally, if I'd been avoiding the results in order to watch the highlights I wouldn't have come anywhere near this thread because of that risk. But maybe that's just me.

    We now have the spoiler thread, all is good.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  27. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Le Col du Morrison

    There I was, on my bike minding my own business, watching the morning commuters pass me by, waiting for the green light.

    He appears out the corner of my right eye, small at first, but getting bigger by the second. He stops next to me on the line, a man, a man wearing denims, a man sporting a grey pony tail... an old man, on an equally old stead. We exchange morning grunts, and nod towards each other, the sport has already commenced...

    The lights go green and he goes, he goes quickly, but I wait... I know the sequence of the lights, and the next set are already at red... he now waits, waiting at the red light, he has already taken my place on the left of the road, he believes the victory is already his. I hover behind him, no need to un-cleat, I have waited, I know the sequence of the lights...

    The lights go green, and again he goes, quickly at first, but then that gear change, that noisy gear change, that grinding gear change, all is not well with this old man on his equally old stead. I pedal smoothly behind, I can sense the moment approaching with excitement, but still I wait...

    We approach the corner at Torphicen St, a ninety degree right hand corner which marks the beginning of the Col. It steepens, gradually at first, but more so as we climb. I have chosen my gear and I am ready, the steepest part approaches just before the left hand bend, but still I wait...

    We near the bend on the steepest part of the Col, and I'm still seated. I have chosen my gear, and my cadence is high. The old man is now out of the saddle on his old stead. He has not chosen his gear wisely, he needs to change down, the moment is close, but still I wait...

    He changes gear, there it is, that noisy gear change, that grinding gear change, this is my moment, out of the saddle I rise, I move to the right and my cadence increases again. I draw level with the old man, he looks down and I wait no longer, I am gone.

    The bend is cleared and back in the saddle I push, I push harder than at any time on this commute and I don't look back, I have beaten an old man and I feel good. At the top of the Col I reflect, this has been a good commute...

    How was your commute to work this morning?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  28. DaveC
    Member

    "How was your commute to work this morning?"

    Wet!!

    Sagan wins!! (dhoop, given away that I own a time machine!! :O(

    Posted 11 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    @Baldcyclist: "Like".

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. SRD
    Moderator

    We have succumbed to Mark Cavendish's roguish charm.

    My 6 y.o. thinks he would make a good childminder - 'we could go cycling all the time'.

    Posted 11 years ago #

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