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My Observations on Dublin Cycling

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  • Started 12 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. So, I'mn just back from a long weekend in Dublin, and got some surprising insights into the cycling revolution that has taken place there, and seen it listed (I think?) in the Copenhagenize top-cities-in-the-world-for-cycling thing. I should note that I didn't manage to get on a bike myself - my mate I was visiting is not a cyclist, and the city is actually compact enough to walk around really (and it was beautifully sunny, so half an hour stroll from his flat to town was no hardship).

    So, why surprising? Well I'm frankly just not 100% sure how they've done it (and, if it wasn't for some small indications, wasn't entirely sure they had).

    I was expecting hordes of cyclists on the roads, but they just weren't there in the numbers anticipated. In fact, on a sunny day in Edinburgh I reckon you see as many people on bikes. It's certainly true that there were a lot less people in helmets and hi-viz (which, as I've mentioned before, I think is certainly an indication that somewhere has a big cycling culture, if not a cause of it). They have their hire bikes of course, so there were a lot of people (and a lot in suits) using those. And while I know such a statement may annoy some, Dublin is virtually pan flat - no matter what we think about 'you soon get to cope with hills', a new, potentially unfit, cyclist will be put off by Edinburgh's hills.

    But the infrastructure? Well... It's just not there. What lanes there are on the road aren't even a different colour, just (usually) a dotted white line. There's a nice two-way segregated lane following the south canal, and I saw one contraflow lane on a one-way bridge over the Liffey. O'Connell Street is probably roughly equivalent in width to Leith Walk, and it was interesting. Two lanes of car traffic each way, with a cycle lane by the kerb, the centre bit paved for pedestrians was wider than a car lane, and no parking on the sides of the street.

    I did see a few examples of truly daft infrastructure - one section by the Liffey (near a tall ship along from Customs House) was the typical 'pop cyclists off the road onto a lovely segregated two-way lane' thing that last all of 100 yards before the pavement narrowing ahead meant cyclists were popped back onto the road. The fact it was two-way, meaning they expected riders coming the other way to cross two lanes of traffic to use the 100 yards before crossing back over, was particularly fun.

    And I was told (by my mate living there, and had also read here) that the rules of the road are merely a guideline, rather than something to slavishly follow. Strangely this doesn't lead to chaos, but rather organised anarchy. Cyclists run reds and ride on pavements, but never heard any horns at riders, or raised voices. Not even a couple of times when cyclists wandered out right in front of cars travelling down the street - they just braked, undertook, and were off. It's perhaps because everyone expects everyone else to be totally random that it doesn't annoy them?

    Even at bus stops there was a sign warning those getting on the bus to watch out for cyclists coming up the inside of the bus before they got on. And not in an' aren't cyclists evil' sort of way, but rather just 'make sure you don't walk out in front of one' fashion.

    Main streets around the Ballbridge area, and into town, were massively wide, with nary a bike lane upon them.

    All very odd. But did make me want to go back and ride it and see if I felt compelled to join them in the flexible rules (it all kind of felt like London, but without the aggressive nature to it all).

    Oh, one thing worth noting, you can and do wait aaaaaaages for pedestrian crossing lights - you're definitely bottom of the pecking order there.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Blueth
    Member

    The Irish motorist is used to a different driving culture though - they have tractor/horse and cart lanes on the main roads.

    But then again I've seen all four resulting lanes being used for travel in the one direction in an interesting overtaking manouvre.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
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    Any insights on the demographic on bikes? Male / female / young / old / studenty / sporty / families?

    Other similarities to Edinburgh/East Scotland include massive capital transport projects that are controvertial and gone overbudget and plan, like the leaky motorway tunnel under the port. Although their tram network is a proper network and only went 1 year over schedule! In terms of commuter railways, they're way ahead of us with the DART.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. cb
    Member

    I was in Dublin in October for a couple of nights. I hadn't realised before I went that it was supposed to be a cycling nirvana and that view wasn't changed by my visit.

    Like WC I didn't see all that many cyclists, but to be fair I didn't see that much of anyone as we were there on a Sunday/holiday Monday (hardly anything open, either day).

    One thing I do remember is how fast cars would travel on the roads on either bank of the Liffey - that felt really unpleasant.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. Try Cycle
    Member

    the inner city is a sort of russian roulette when it comes to cycling - pedastarians, buses and taxis are a different breed to their Edinburgh counterparts, and not for the better. Streets in places like Ballsbridge are good - lots of space to be had.

    Here's a video clip that was doing the rounds not to long ago of a little tete a tete between a cyclist and an driver, neither of whom cover themselves in glory!

    Video

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. cb
    Member

    "their tram network is a proper network"

    Two lines that don't join up (ok - yet). That's not really a network.

    It was fairly expensive to use, but good/handy for users in holiday mode. Quite slow though - much, much slower than a bike once stops are factored in.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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