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THE Helmet Thread

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  • Started 10 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. gembo
    Member

    Tinfoil in the shoes at this time of year. My wee ma is arriving in Edinburgh by train today. Will look out for black felt pork pie hat, there surely will only be one

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. wee folding bike
    Member

    I didn't see any others and the guy on the desk at Dynamic Earth liked it.

    There was a school librarian demo on the Royal Mile. The lady at the front was dressed as a cat and they had a police escort.

    BTW the Royal Cafe in Ayr has shut. I was at Reynaldo's on Monday.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Nice detail wee folding bike.

    Shame about the Royal cafe.

    Nardinis of Largs now has cafe byres road in Glasgow, one in the old bruntsfield post office and one in St. Andrews giving Janettas a run for their money. Had a lovely double macchiato in there on Wednesday. Also a cone. They have won the daily record cone of the year 2015. Which in the land of cones is a high accolade. Bit like a bakers winning scotch pie of the year ( Apple pie bakery of Carnwath has many, many awards in this competition but not sure they have ever one the big one in the world scotch pie competition).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. Snowy
    Member

    An interesting and non-partisan look at helmet effectiveness

    http://www.ecf.com/news/helmet-effectiveness-research-forced-to-go-back-to-the-drawing-board/

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. stiltskin
    Member

    Hmmm. ECF isn't non-partisan when it comes to helmets

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. slowcoach
    Member

    Some Canadian research reported in BMJ last week ...
    "... For traffic-related injury causes, higher cycling mode share was consistently associated with lower hospitalisation rates. Helmet legislation was not associated with hospitalisation rates for brain, head, scalp, skull, face or neck injuries. ..."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. Given that my head/face took the brunt of my recent impact with the tarmac, I'm awfly glad I was wearing mine at the time, and I will be buying a replacement.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

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    @roadcc: Cycle helmet wearers more disposed to be risk taking sensation seekers says study https://t.co/3lYrkHlQxa #cycling

    https://t.co/8bLHBfhbWi

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    @KirsteenT: @roadcc because mtbing, downhills etc wear helmets! It's not chicken and egg! We should encourage risk takers anyway - healthier lifestyle

    "

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. stiltskin
    Member

    I do wish people would actually spend their time doing research which takes more than about 3 seconds to debunk.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Gamble was also at pains to suggest the findings did not mean people should stop wearing helmets. “All this is not to say that people shouldn’t wear safety equipment, but rather to say that the whole topic is far more complicated than most people think,” he said. “If feeling protected does make people generally more reckless – which is what these findings imply – then this could affect all sorts of situations, perhaps even how soldiers make strategic decisions when wearing body armour.”

    "

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jan/24/bike-helmet-appetite-danger

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. PS
    Member

    Dunno if it's the recent cold weather, but I've noticed a higher proportion a woolly hat rather than helmet wearing cyclers of late. This has pleased me.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. wee folding bike
    Member

    You can even get cycling themed ones.

    http://www.bigbobblehats.co.uk

    But I'll stick with the Lowe Alpine mountain caps on a bike in winter.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    PS, it is the cold weather but do you put the glasses under or over the hat?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. wee folding bike
    Member

    I've been known to wear De Walt safety specs (Screwfix £2.99) to keep the cold air out in the morning. I tuck them under the ear flaps on a Lowe Alpine mountain cap.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Charlethepar
    Member

  16. wingpig
    Member

    "I've been known to wear De Walt safety specs (Screwfix £2.99) to keep the cold air out in the morning."

    I find sunglasses, bicycle-glasses and my old chemistry safety goggles all funnel air into tight streams of greater lachrymosity than unconcentrated air wafting freely against all of both eyeball's exposed surfaces. Probably the shape of my nose.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. wee folding bike
    Member

    Never had that problem with Oakleys or RayBans. ScrewFix works fine too since the management wouldn't stand for the Oakleys, I wasn't married when I had those. I did 10 years with no RayBans either. We think number 2 son binned them. She relented last year so I can look like a member of Jazz Club again. Nice.

    I don't bother in the afternoon but icy mornings are more comfy with some goggles.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    I also cause glasses to steam up and prefer not to use them. Not my nose though, I just emanate huge amounts of perspiration. If I had ray bans I would just lose them I think weefoldingbike's son may be innocent? On the helmet stuff, vulpine have some models with helmets and some without. Whereas Rapha are helmet free, IIRC. Rapha sell Lots of dear hats that are one size Fits all. Vulpine hats have different hat sizes but not as nice. Rapha now sell eye wateringly dear road shoes but neither sell helmets.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

  20. Roibeard
    Member

    http://yehudamoon.com/comic/2015-03-24/

    Posted without comment...

    Robert

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. I rode past one of our directors on the way in today. The head of our department just mentioned in a team meeting that someone in the business had mentioned to her the 'risk appetite' of one of her team members, who was cycling without a helmet on (I believe in jest given the context, though he's an Aussie and they've got laws about that kind of thing).

    In the meeting was a Dutchman, who pointed out how few Dutch people wear helmets.

    And the world continued turning.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. rust
    Member

    Opened a cupboard this morning and my fullface helmet fell out and almost hit me in the head. Proving once and for all helmets are dangerous.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Just recieved the Bike Co-op's latest unsolicited sales email.

    I think they've opened a big old can of worms with their (potential) customers with the title of the email "The latest technology in bicycle safety" and then some attempts to tell you why you should bin your existing helmet (that there's a good chance they already sold you) and invest in some sort of high-end headgear referring to itself as an "Impact Protection System" and "Head-Saving Technolgy".

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. stiltskin
    Member

    As part of an occasional survey..

    NEPN from Roesburn to Canonmills.
    5pm. Weather sunny but cool.
    69 other cyclists spotted
    55 have helmets
    14 do not
    Helmet wearing ratio = 80%
    That is all.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. douglaswaring
    Member

    Helmets reduce injuries study finds
    Haven't managed to unlock the full article yet - want to know whether mechanism of injury was factored. i.e. Fall or collision.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. Frenchy
    Member

    From paper abstract:

    A total of 43 studies met inclusion criteria and 40 studies were included in the meta-analysis with data from over 64 000 injured cyclists. For cyclists involved in a crash or fall, helmet use was associated with odds reductions for head [OR = 0.49, 95% confidence interval (CI): 0.42–0.57), serious head (OR = 0.31, 95% CI: 0.25–0.37), face (OR = 0.67, 95% CI: 0.56–0.81) and fatal head injury (OR = 0.35, 95% CI: 0.14–0.88). No clear evidence of an association between helmet use and neck injury was found (OR = 0.96, 95% CI: 0.74–1.25). There was no evidence of time trends or publication bias.

    I have very briefly checked the full article, and it doesn't look like they've separately analysed falls and collisions, although some of the data sets they're using might have done so.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I'm not sure the mechanism matters.If there was potential that the injury would be life changing, or ending, that is really what matters.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. acsimpson
    Member

    "data from over 64 000 injured cyclists."

    I assume it doesn't cover whether you are more or less likely to end up injured if you are wearing a helmet.

    eg if you knock your head wearing a helmet but don't suffer an injury or a driver passes you too closely because you were wearing a helmet and knocks you off.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. paddyirish
    Member

    Got a kickstarter update from Carlton Read last night- on the history of H*lm*t advocacy and use. Learned a lot.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. earthowned
    Member

    Interesting snippet from the article:

    "However, bicycle helmets are not a panacea
    for cycling injury, as they do not eliminate head or face injury and they do not offer protection to other body regions.
    Any comprehensive cycling safety strategy should consider
    the promotion or legislation of bicycle helmets only in concert with other injury prevention strategies."

    Posted 7 years ago #

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