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IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 15years old!
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It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
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I'm seeing a couple of t-shirts based on the bus ad.
1. A yellow t-shirt exactly the same as the bus ad but with "If you CAN" as the strap line.
2. the same as the bus ad but with a car/hgv icon in place of the bike.
What moron thought of the "if you must" tag, the ad would be bad enough with "if its safe"...
Nice Way Code comment on the article linked to above:
"Many fatal conflicts with lorries in particular result following cyclists positioning on the left followed by the lorry turning left"
There you have it. Cyclists are to blame for being run over by lorries.
<sigh> Everytime I start to respond to the NWC, I end up foaming at the mouth and deleting the post.
I've just Googled it, and discovered that this is perfectly normal - it just means I'm happily working the bit...
Robert
Roibeard - that made me laugh.
I do agree that my posts on the NWC probably make little sense as I have edited them so many times - generally they start as incoherent rambles, and then go downhill from there...
It took much effort and editing to construct a coherent, structured and well-reasoned NWC letter yesterday.
So much was pouring forth from me in the heat of the moment, it basically read "AND ANOTHER THING"... "AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON".
I have to admit this 'thing' has sailed right over my head. I understand where they are coming from, like the Don't drink campains - there are only so many police on street corners stopping drivers to breatherlis., But this 'thing' is just a waste of our time and cash.
Believe me, sailing over your head is the best thing with regards this campaign. Once you start to dig into it you are guaranteed to turn into a frothing-at-the-mouth, letter-writing reactionary!
Taxi drivers 'involved' - which is good.
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CityCabs Edin Ltd (@CityCabsLtd)
08/08/2013 10:46
Look out for Cyclists on the road - Nice Way Code Name:
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That video though.
Not noticed any other 'promotion' on Twitter.
@WC
I have a reply to that stuck in moderation. It doesn't pick up on that phrase but goes:
If, as you say, the National Standard says "the trainee may pass it (on the right or left) or may choose to wait in the queue." why does your advert say "Nope" to passing on the left? Your position clearly does not reflect the National Standard you refer to.
Of course, it is true that "even [in a cycle lane] the cyclist could be at risk from a left turning (long) vehicle" but here the primary responsibility lies with the driver of the vehicle who should observe the cycle lane, the advance stop box and therefore expect, and check for the presence of, cyclists passing on their left. Cyclists would, of course, do well to mistrust drivers in these scenarios but that’s a far cry from "Nope".
"If you must" is absolutely not the same as "if it is safe". And putting it on a sign for cyclists is not the same as advice to all road users.
What City of Edinburgh Council's political leader thinks of the bus ads -
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Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
08/08/2013 12:27
@CyclingEdin @CllrJimOrr @AlexDRobertson @SRDorman @nicewaycode @on_lothianbuses Again - thanks for the link. Agree its not a good message.
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"Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
08/08/2013 12:28
@CyclingEdin @EdinburghTom @on_lothianbuses @Edinburgh_CC @LAHinds To the best of my knowledge, CEC have no part in the campaign.
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CEC owns 91% of LB.
I don't think either CEC or LB have much say about what goes on the bus adverts, do they? I mean, if there was an advert from the Conservative party on the back of the bus, that doesn't mean either Andrew Burns or the Powers That Be at Lothian Buses think we should vote Conservative...
Developing -
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Spokes CycleCampaign (@SpokesLothian)
08/08/2013 13:02
@St_Matthiesen @AndrewDBurns @CyclingEdin @EdinburghTom @on_lothianbuses @LAHinds Bus wording could be "Pass here if safe" NOT "If you must"
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Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
08/08/2013 13:06
@SpokesLothian @St_Matthiesen @CyclingEdin @EdinburghTom @on_lothianbuses @LAHinds It's the NOPE that bothers me more!
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I got a couple of pics I put on Twitter while out. Stationary buses with the sign on and partial lanes to the left clear of traffic to filter to the front. But... NOPE!
In one there is a queue of three buses - the NWC guidance would be to go round the right hand side of all of them into the other traffic lane 'if you must', rather than use the half lane to the left that's totally clear.
@Insto, I've got a comment in moderation as well, though it's just a cut n' paste of my post here.
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Citycycling (@urbancyclist)
08/08/2013 12:46
What about here? All traffic is stopped. Should I go on the right of all the buses?
http://ow.ly/i/2P9ii @nicewaycode
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Nice pic, good question...
Noting that there is the LB's own 'do not pass on the left' sticker there too.
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Nice Way Code (@nicewaycode)
07/08/2013 18:46
@CityCycling @gregdmccracken @urbancyclist Hi, the message is advising cyclists no to undertake but instead pass on the right if it's safe
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Gordon Hill-Smith (@smudgegs)
08/08/2013 13:04
@nicewaycode no it's not. It says "if you must" about a reasonable, safe and legal manouevre. This hateful nonsense should end now :-<
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Rich M (@shouldbeinbed)
08/08/2013 13:19
@smudgegs @parimalkumar and shows exactly why @nicewaycode haven't got a clue what they are talking about, or it IS an anti bike campaign
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Yes
DO NOT pass on the left
some of these escaped. Lothian and Borders Police put a stop to a wider campaign.
LB is a NWC 'partner', I suspect Mr. Burns won't be able to have much direct influence.
But it may be just another straw towards getting the whole thing junked.
I may or may not have just ordered one of these.
Which may or may not be getting delivered tomorrow....
@Arobcomp wherefrom?
Why aren't the bus back ads reminding drivers to stay out of bike lanes and check before turning left?
These would be more useful. A good chance for the agency to show they're listening to all road users.
@kap from amazon with amazon prime (that I forgot to cancel and therefore will use to buy everything from now on)
@kap from amazon with amazon prime (that I forgot to cancel and therefore will use to buy everything from now on)
£1.20 more for the deluxe version
not sure if it comes with the svelte smoking jaiket
@WC (foot of page 12)
"It would be interesting to know the stats for Scotland on just how many cyclists had been injured going up the left side of buses at all, as well as how many were so injured going up the left while using a cycle lane."
Got sent this by someone with a finger on a mouse -
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from OpenGov data for 2011 (latest available):
reported injury road accidents in Scotland 9970 approx
vehicles involved 16730 approx
of which were cycles 857
and buses/coaches/minibuses 664.
Accidents involving both a bus and a cycle 23.
And in all the injury accidents reported to the police in Scotland in 2011, the total involving both a vehicle coded as a bus and one as a cycle, when the cycle was overtaking on the nearside was ... 1 (one).
It seems to have been in a bus lane in Glasgow.
(the data and this analysis is not guaranteed)
2012 data is available too.
And in all the injury accidents reported to the police in Scotland in 2012, the total involving both a vehicle coded as a bus and one as a cycle, when the cycle was coded as overtaking on the nearside was ... 1 (one). (again)
This was in Edinburgh.
strangely, although 5 of the bus-bike accidents in 2011 were in bus/cycle lanes, none of those in 2012 were.
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Good data from CHDot There.
Note that I was going to get the deluxe version however this was not available with free next day delivery with amazon prime. Therefore I actually saved myself money.... right....
@Arobcomp re amazon prime, there's a cooling-off period beyond the stated time, so long as you haven't used it seince then
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Bez (@beztweets)
08/08/2013 16:53
A must-read: @JakeyBate thoroughly dissects the #nicewaycode campaign in search of *how* it went so far wrong.
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Long
Only half way through - makes sense to me
@arobcomp
The item you ordered was previously used in the godfather.
Cycling around with it on your head could be part of the Neigh Way Code?
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