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How can we improve family biking?

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  • Started 10 years ago by FamilyBikeLife
  • Latest reply from FamilyBikeLife

  1. FamilyBikeLife
    Member

    Hi there! We are part of a design research group, currently studying family life with a bike. A large part of our research depends on connecting with (and learning from) people that have bicycling experience with children.

    Earlier this year our team organized a workshop in Copenhagen, where we got to meet and engage people on the topic of urban biking. This was a great interactive learning experience that sparked some great ideas and gave the project some invaluable insight. We are now trying to do something similar in an online environment! That is, we want to connect with people who have thoughts about bicycling with kids and find out what challenges they face and how they deal with them. We actually found this forum through a tip made to us through our website. We would love to hear your thoughts on what family biking is and could be! Specifically:

    What kinds of challenges do you face cycling with children on a bike?
    How have you and your family managed to overcome these issues?
    Are there any other websites, forums, or blogs that you know of discussing this topic that you would like to recommend?

    Any other input or comment you might have would also be very appreciated!

    You can follow the project and find out more on: http://www.family-bike-life.squarespace.com1 or join our facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/familybikelife2 where we’ve set up a collaborative photoboard and will try some more co-creation activities in the near future!

    A taste of some cool insights/stories we've taken part of so far:

    Any contributions you make, including everything from links, ideas, and photographs will be credited to you. Additionally, we may also contact you for follow-up comments and questions on your contributions.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. HankChief
    Member

    As it was me that invited them onto our forum, I'll kick off the response, with our story to date...

    I started off as 'just' a cycle commuter (didn't do any cycling except to & from work), but when my first child came along, and eventually started at nursery (2 miles away but in the opposite direction to work!) it just seemed logical that I would do drop-off on the bike with a bike seat rather than (heavens forbid) getting a 2nd car just for the nursery run. So far so good.

    1st challenge - getting appropriate clothes for winter. By looking at skiing retailers, I managed to pick up a thick all in one 'romper suit' and balaclava for him. Getting him dressed & undressed in the morning does add to the overall commute time...

    At about 2 1/2 he started on a balance bike and got pretty confident at it, so when someone at work offered up a tag-a-long for a good home, I snapped it up. We gave it a little try and he was hooked, so from before his 3rd birthay he commuted on it - our route had to change to avoid the 'tight squeeze'.

    2nd & 3rd challenge - Being behind my towing bike meant that on a wet day he would arrive at nursery with a muddy face - they soon learnt to have a flannel ready. Initially, the only glasses I could find for him to wear to protect his eyes from the mud were sun-glasses, but as this was winter I had to find a pair with clear glasses as we were arriving in the dark... Fortunately fleabay came up trumps with a interchangeable 3 lens set.

    For his 3rd birthday he got his first pedal bike, although it took a little while to get going soon he was off and wanted to pedal to nursery, which was fine, but about 4 times slower than being towed, so made me late for work...

    The next big challenge was his younger sister starting at nursery. I didn't want his cycling to stop (i.e. by putting them both in trailer) but equally I couldn't see a way of connecting both a childseat and tag-a-long / trailgator to the same bike. I did a lot of research and came up with either the Follow-Me tow bar or the Circe Helios. After much thought (about 6 months), discussion and a trial run on the Helios from LaidBack we decided to go with the Helios - fortunately my son is big for his age so could fit on it at only 3 1/2.

    I can honestly say we haven't looked back. I've done over 2,000 miles on it in the last year, with over half of that with the kids on board. Thanks to studded tyres we haven't miss a day due to the weather.

    We're now using the bike a lot at weekends and exploring many new play parks around the city rather than just using the nearest one. It's not uncommon for us to do 15 miles on a Saturday morning in search of a new slide or set of swings...

    My next challenge will be to get both my daughter & son pedalling - I've seen a Helios with a tag-a-long off the rack, so I think this will be the future for us... as will a longer commute once they start he starts at school.

    Other challenges we faced were:
    1. Stopping boredom - have to keep thinking of games to play - counting lampposts, naming parts of the route, making funny noises through tunnels etc.
    2. Fitting lights on a childseat - for some reason this is very hard - I put Fibreflares down either side.
    3. Dropping / trailing gloves - String is essential.
    and finally...
    4. Kiddy tantrums in public display. For most people their kids tantrums on the way to nursery are safely enclosed within their metal box. When you're on the bike everyone can see & hear them. My style is just to keep cycling and keep smiling. Much easier to deal with at nursery and it is usually forgotten once they get there.

    Here's a photo from a trip to the bridges - panda, flag, balloon & stripes are optional extras...

    20130616_120830 by HankChief, on Flickr

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Hank chief - good narrative

    I cannot compete with that. All three of my children cycle and the eldest two have cycled to school as part of bike week. But no one started so young and we only go for outings not every day.

    I used an oldmtagalong with all three then on to their own bikes,mthe third one with a nice wee bike with fat tyres that she took to immediately, donated by another family. They beg me not to cycle it, which is actually possible but comic.

    We all cycle together, the big push is to get their mum to come with us

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. wee folding bike
    Member

    Neither of the web links seem to be working.

    Nothing unusual here used a trailer to pick them up from school.

    Their mum is from Coatbridge so cycling is almost unknown. I get photographed by the locals there.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. FamilyBikeLife
    Member

    Thanks for our comments! Really interesting to read and very useful for our project!

    Sorry about those broken links, here they are again:

    to the project webpage

    to the Facebook page

    Cheers!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. HankChief
    Member

    This is us in winter set up


    Helios - Winter Set up by http://www.laid-back-bikes.co.uk, on Flickr

    Surprisingly we've only appeared once in the 'spotted' thread...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. FamilyBikeLife
    Member

    You've got quite the set-up there HankChief! It would be very interesting to see what set-ups you transition between as the kids get older. We just had a post on facebook from Cory where he talks about the different gear he's used through out the years.

    We really liked the "other challenges" you mentioned. Those things aren't the first that pop to mind when we discuss this subject, and it's great to get a little insight on that as well. Great winter photo by the way! We featured it on our facebook page, now you've been spotted twice :)

    Thanks for the insight gembo and wee folding bike! We're new to bicycle culture in Scotland and hadn't heard about bike week and Coatbridge before :)
    What do you think of the bike week festival?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    My challenge is that my significant other half has only ever cycled in Holland and is afraid of downhills (no joke!) :(

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. LaidBack
    Member

    Interesting thread.

    Very slight trend towards family load carrying in the city here. By end of year we'll have sold three new family load carriers. Nihola trike, Bakfiets and an electric assist Urban Arrow. Already several older bakfiets in use in Edinburgh that have been acquired second hand. For short heavily laden journeys they are ideal. Not so good for going out of town though and with tenements here bike storage is a problem.

    Most common family rigs are tag-alongs sold by Edinburgh Bicycle Coop and others or Burley trailers (or EBC copy). Asking families to spend over £1200 on a special bike only works if they have sold idea to themselves. Most families in cars or walk or bus. Car ownership in Edinburgh is less than Amsterdam although you would never realise that looking at how dominated our streets are by powered vehicles. The extra time taken driving is traded off by the fact it is perceived as 'safe and normal' and car users also campaign for better driving and parking - aided by many businesses.

    Helios tandem has been a good seller (maybe more than 20 sold around here). This is due to the fact that it's light and ok to cycle quickly solo. Everyone is in a hurry here and because bikes have to mix with cars. Most people that buy a bike have it as a supplement to their car and how it fits into a car is always asked.

    We started with child seat on bike then moved onto tandems as wanted our daughter to help with the pedalling!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. FamilyBikeLife
    Member

    Hi everyone!

    Thanks for your thoughts and comments, and keep them coming! We love to hear about your challenges and how you have solved them.

    We have now launched an interactive workshop activity on our project website! We would really appreciate if you could head over there and participate! The activity takes about five minutes to complete.

    Thanks for your help!

    Posted 10 years ago #

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