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(OT?) Demolish Morningside

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  1. crowriver
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    Craigmillar had the population of Mussleburgh

    Perhaps in numerical terms. Both are on the edge of Edinburgh. There the similarities end.

    Musselburgh is a historical port, has a large stake in the establishment (Loretto school, Brunton theatre, QMU campus, race course, etc.), and has much better transport connections with other settlements (including a rail station). It's also administratively separate from Edinburgh, being the largest population centre in East Lothian.

    So to compare Musselburgh with Craigmillar is not fair on the latter.

    Posted 11 years ago #

  2. SRD
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    Wasn't that the point that chdot was making? that simply lumping a number of people into adjoining housing does not a community make?

    Posted 11 years ago #

  3. crowriver
    Member

    @SRD, sure, and the points chdot makes are all valid. It might be more instructive though to compare with similar 'artificial' communities/suburbs with relatively few amenities, but with very different social compositions, eg. East Craigs. Or communities/areas which had a historical role which is now largely gone, eg. Granton.

    Craigmillar's not the only part of Edinburgh to face issues: Gracemount, Muirhouse, Wester Hailes, Pilton, even more connected areas like Sighthill, Restalrig, Northfield, Bingham.....maybe somewhere like Oxgangs has had more prosperity in recent years, due to proximity to Morningside and Colinton/Craiglockhart (and the consequent selling on of much of the council housing stock).

    Posted 11 years ago #

  4. chdot
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    I wasn't making comment about 'issues' - other than the results of changing employment opportunities.

    The comparison with Musselburgh was on a population basis and the difference between gradual and 'mass' development plus per capita shops/social/other facilities planned (and delivered).

    Posted 11 years ago #

  5. crowriver
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    Well someone mentioned the 'c' word earlier: class.

    That is the main 'issue' which Craigmillar faces, that more prosperous areas have fewer worries about. This I think is the crux of the (rhetorical) call to demolish Morningside.

    Musselburgh is quite different: it is not a largely homogenous 'ghetto' of a particular class/socioeconomic group, whether 'working', 'middle', or 'upper'. It's a historical, semi-rural town which replicates in miniature the larger class/social differences/divisions of similar towns in the Lothians and Borders.

    Posted 11 years ago #

  6. SRD
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    This is a pretty good read:

    http://drpetermatthews.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/why-improvement-service-is-wrong-on.html

    Posted 11 years ago #

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