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"They were stressing the importance of evidence"
That's good.
Was it 'you show me the evidence before I change my mind'?
Though there is 'evidence for what?'
Compliance with the law?
More people choosing other transport options?
Less noise/pollution?
'Public support'?
Etc.
They said their concern with 20mph was about, for example, money being spent on streets where no-one would ever get up to 20mph, when there are other streets needing bigger safety improvements.
The tone was far more nuanced and thoughtful than the broad public statements, but that is in keeping with my previous interactions with this particular councillor.
"They said their concern with 20mph was about, for example, money being spent on streets where no-one would ever get up to 20mph"
That's fine.
Presumably he(?) means a suburban cul de sac which might not even have any signage as it's part of a wider scheme(?)
"when there are other streets needing bigger safety improvements"
Good, but unless '20mph sceptics' are actively working on proposals (and supporting things like segregated infrastructure) that's just a copout.
I made very similar points in response.
BRAKE has produced a very good summary of recent evidence on 20mph limits and make a very convincing argument as to why it should be the default urban limit:
http://www.brake.org.uk/assets/docs/GO20toolkit/GO20-report-sep15.pdf
This the sort of evidence I like!
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Mark Ruskell (@markruskell)
16/04/2017, 12:47
Evidence shows national switch from 30 to 20mph could save NHS in Scotland £56m & 1,000 casualties @newsundayherald
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Polis out on Grange Rd this afo, enforcing 20mph.
Nice!
Popular road...
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Erdington Police (@ErdingtonWMP)
06/04/2017, 17:41
A speedwatch was conducted today on Grange road. A total of 11 speeders were recorded above the speed limit for the road#killyourspeed
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Erdington? Erdington is in Birmingham, isn't it?
Erdington? Erdington is in Birmingham, isn't it?
Not sure, but it's almost certainly in the West Midlands, since WMP are doing speedwatches there.
West Midland Police (WMP) would suggest Birmingham.
You could cause a stampede with the following - 3 bed semi-detached property going for £270k in Grange Road (erdingtonedington)
There is a much smaller erdington in Northumbria, quite near edington and bedlington
Doh'. Missed the WMP bit...
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Edinburgh South East (@EdinPolSE)
17/04/2017, 8:18 am
Road safety in the rain at Grange Rd yesterday #OpSwitchback pic.twitter.com/VPIbeZIim1
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Almost two-thirds of Scots support a default 20mph speed limit in urban areas, a new poll suggests.
A Survation poll of 1,018 people for the Scottish Greens shows that, of those who expressed an opinion, 65% were in favour of the idea.
The poll also shows, when don’t knows are removed, that 24.4% would be more likely to cycle with a lower limit.
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Sustrans Scotland (@SustransScot)
15/05/2017, 5:12 pm
Consultation into a 20mph default in residential streets in Scotland has been launched. Have your say
http://bit.ly/2qktgpL #saferstreets
http:// pic.twitter.com/WvEBc9rXzI
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Shame DR thinks it's a good idea to go to ABD for a quote.
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The Tories are opposed to the proposals.
They said: “There is a place for them near schools and busy residential areas but restricting speed to that level across the board makes those important zones less effective.”
Lobby group the Alliance of British Drivers added: “These limits have to be based on the prevailing road conditions.
“If they are not based on road conditions it actually damages safety. It loses credibility as a
speed limit.”
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Documentation;
http://www.parliament.scot/S5MembersBills/20170512_FINAL_VERSION.pdf
and actual consultation;
Chilled Out, Cheerful and Child Friendly
That was my slogan for the consultation response
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The impact of 20mph speed limits on safety and public health is to be examined in a new study.
Researchers will evaluate how the policy of reducing the limit from 30mph has worked in Edinburgh and Belfast.
Rates of traffic accidents and injuries before and after the change will be measured to look at whether road safety has been enhanced.
Any change in transport use will also be scrutinised by examining the take-up of cycling and walking.
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The consultation ends on 15th September, so still a bit of time yet...
But why not get it done before you go away on holiday?
Documentation;
http://www.parliament.scot/S5MembersBills/20170512_FINAL_VERSION.pdf
and actual consultation;
Correct documentation link:
https://files.smartsurvey.io/2/0/IRQ8JRPG/20170622_FINAL_VERSION_NGBU.pdf
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Four fifths of drivers regularly break the speed limit in 20mph zones, with more than one in ten doing more than 30mph.
Government speed compliance statistics for 2016 show that 81 per cent of cars exceeded the speed limit on 20mph roads, with 80 per cent of light commercial vehicles and 71 per cent of HGVs also speeding.
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Using the usual logic which cyclists are regularly subjected to: "It's time we banned every driver from the road until they can all behave and obey the law like everyone else has to!"
I love the way that so many breaking the speed limit is used as an argument to scrap them. Perhaps given that there are so many shoplifters, we should legalise shoplifting.
Neil Greig director of policy and research said, “It’s really good news for road safety that the roads with the highest speed compliance are actually our most dangerous – 60mph rural single carriageways.
On what basis are they the "most dangerous"? What metric are you using?
“The main problem is clearly getting drivers to comply on the ever increasing number of roads in our towns and cities with a 20mph limit.
The main problem is lack of enforcement.
I'd bet that, if you announce speed cameras at 10 locations, there'll be no problem getting drivers to comply at those 10 locations.
Repeat after me, laws that aren't enforced are laws that aren't respected.
BTW, speeding shouldn't even exist any more. We've had GPS long enough that, if the authorities wanted to stop speeding, they could.
All that's missing is the willingness.
Cycling from the Mound to Southside just now, I was overtaken by at least three taxis and a Siemens van (and probably other vehicles as well), whilst I was doing 20mph on 20mph streets.
On Queen St on sunday, big range rover accelrating in excess of 40 mph to get through lights in 20mph zone. But obviously 20mph is NOT the speed limit if you need to get through the lights?
I imagine with speed cameras they just have to go off with a flash a few times a day to get the word out they are in operation and this would slow the traffic right down. See also vigilantes in Lincolnshire with their own speed guns.
The default that drivers should be able to do what they like often appears strong but it is easily countered by stuff that just looks like enofrcement, never mind ACTUAL enforcement.
THe other factor to bear in mind in terms of Pavlovian conditioning, is that the strongest way of achieving a desired behaviour in rats/drivers is to intermittently reinforce the schedule. So even occasional enforcement in a random way would work and indeed if we are all driver/rats it would work better than constant enforcement.
Also it Just takes one driver to stick to 20mph and the rest are stuck behind them. We should hire people to drive around Edinburgh at the speed limit.
You can tell the drivers in Edinburgh respecting the speed limit in 20 zones; they have a huge queue of traffic behind them. How does that happen?
It may be considered bad etiquette to drive at 20mph if cars behind possibly why many may speed to avoid bad etiquette
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