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20mph zones may go Scotland wide after Edinburgh trial

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  • Started 4 years ago by crowriver
  • Latest reply from nedd1e_h

  1. algo
    Member

    Not just any anecdotal evidence, but anecdotal evidence he is *hearing* - that's the best kind of anectodal evidence

    Posted 4 days ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    Can someone explain the last sentence to me please?

    Against my better judgment, I've spent a few minutes trying to figure out what it means. I still haven't a clue. It doesn't make any sense.

    Posted 4 days ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    “Against my better judgment”

    Sorry (and thanks).

    Posted 4 days ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    If anything, one would expect that the 20mph limits cause drivers to spend more time on "arterial" roads, in order to maximise the time they spend sitting at red lights travelling at 30mph. I would expect a collision or road rage incident to be more likely to be reported if it happened on a busier road, no?

    Posted 4 days ago #
  5. HankChief
    Member

    Would anyone like to hear my anecdotal evidence?

    On my daily commute down quiet back roads I do see vehicles exceeding the 20mph limit on a regular basis. This could be because they live there but is more likely that they are using it as a rat run. The equation for drivers to choose between a main road (at 20mph because someone is observing the limit) vs back road where no one is watching, is tipped further towards the back roads.

    I'd like to see more traffic calming on back roads to tip this equation back towards the main road.

    Posted 4 days ago #
  6. HankChief
    Member

    Cllr Webber has responded to my request

    "Slateford Rd, at the BP garage switches from 30-20 mph city bound....not my ward but it should be 30mph"

    I have some respect for this view. She is the first one to identify any road that should be at a higher limit. It's a short stretch of 4 lane road - but it soon becomes 2 lanes by the church.

    You could atleast put this into the 'debateable' category. (I still think it should be 20mph tho)

    Posted 4 days ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    “It's a short stretch of 4 lane road”

    Like many others, no need for four.

    Plenty room for bike lanes.

    Posted 4 days ago #
  8. HankChief
    Member

    Cllr Whyte's response

    "We need a network of main roads that are 30. We were promised that would be maintained but ..."

    I've asked him to be more specific...

    Posted 3 days ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

  10. Frenchy
    Member

    "They don’t join up so not a network."

    He appreciates the irony, right? Right?

    Posted 3 days ago #
  11. Klaxon
    Member

    I am becoming a greater and greater fan of the formal Dutch delineation of distributor and local roads, each having a separate set of design principals

    Local roads having parking, traffic calming, often filtered, not necessarily separate cycle lanes as not needed

    Distributor roads having wider lanes for heavier traffic, bus priority, continuous cycle lanes and safe side road crossings. The big defining factor of these roads seems to be that kerbside parking is last priority after the necessary movement of people and goods - buses, cycles, and indeed other cars - has been catered for. They are not necessarily high speed limit roads but you’ll ‘make good progress’ to steal an advanced driving term

    No need for mile upon mile of TROs and double yellow lines either, as spaces appear to be defined by where you are allowed to stop, not where you’re not.

    Posted 3 days ago #
  12. Klaxon
    Member

    How this applies to Edinburgh? We don’t define well what a road is for, so we get an end product that suits nobody

    We prioritise parking over all other needs leading to an assumption that all roads must have lanes wide enough for kerbside parking (and narrowing their effective width by 5.5m). This is enough for an NL-width cycle lane on every road.

    Where we have provided bus lanes, they have a guddle of parking and loading hours allowed within them leading to them becoming off peak choke points

    The weekly Sunday farce.

    We don’t build side roads that look like side roads and with the advent of smart sat nav they’re themselves becoming major through routes

    We are building an 1800 space car park in the centre of town without simultaneously removing all surrounding on street parking

    Posted 3 days ago #
  13. PS
    Member

    I'd like to see more traffic calming

    Agreed. Filtered permeability would sort so much of this.

    On my commute that would look like closing cross-New Town rat runs with judicious use of bollards, which has worked a treat on Cornwallis Place/Summer Bank.

    Locals seem to dislike that idea until their street becomes a rat run, and then they swing right behind. Lots of Albany Street and Abercrombie Place residents were advocating it when York Place traffic was diverted along there due to the tram works.

    Posted 3 days ago #
  14. Rob
    Member

    That article could replace "20 mph" with "30 mph" and still be just as applicable.

    Posted 3 days ago #
  15. steveo
    Member

    not my ward

    I love this, its like official nimby. Was going to say on twitter but figured it wouldn't help Hanks constructive engagement.

    Posted 3 days ago #
  16. HankChief
    Member

    I think the constructive engagement ended when other people piled in...

    Posted 3 days ago #
  17. steveo
    Member

    I'll take solice in not making it worse...

    Posted 3 days ago #
  18. unhurt
    Member

    We are building an 1800 space car park in the centre of town without simultaneously removing all surrounding on street parking

    This bears repeating, repeatedly! Gah, and I was just reading Brent Toderian on Twitter re how devoting excess space to parking (car storage) is damaging for "places" with aspirations to be anything other than a bit grim.

    Posted 3 days ago #
  19. nedd1e_h
    Member

    I think the constructive engagement ended when other people piled in...

    Oops. That may have been me. Sorry

    Posted 3 days ago #

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