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20mph zones may go Scotland wide after Edinburgh trial
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Apparently ABD is giving evidence today,
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That ABD evidence is junkie/alky chat. 'I can handle it, it's my business, no doing any harm' all the time slumped in a derelict flat.
These are not people who have a healthy relationship with motor vehicles. These are addicts.
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sensible thread here from Alex Quayle who's got the stomach to watch it live
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I hope it won't end up with a dogpile on the chairman again
Aww :(
I did have the pleasure of reading the sentence "Edward Mountain MSP liked your reply", which made me think I'd said something wrong.
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Chris Hill who runs the CityCyclingEdinburgh.info forum said after the meeting: “It was disappointing to hear all the self-appointed road safety experts at the committee trying to persuade MSPs that reducing speed was dangerous for pedestrians."
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Wot can I say?
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(Don’t read the comments.)
Unless you want a laff.
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Why is it so generally acceptable for drivers to say they speed when they can get away with it. If I went to the Justice Committee representing the Scottish Guild of Thieves and argued its fine to steal a Dairy Milk as long as I get away with it there wouldn't just be shrugs.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/lphainey/status/1098253832818167809
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WHY does the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee (eleven members) only have two women on it??
https://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/CurrentCommittees/rural-economy-committee.aspx
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Is reducing the speed limit to 20 miles per hour a feminist issue?
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From the above BBC article - "Euan Blockley stated his opposition to blanket speed reductions, instead preferring that the power to change speed limits should lie with local councillors and the community."
The 20mph speed limit Bill would not apply to A or B roads and Councils would retain the power to apply a 30mph limit to any local road they chose (through the TRO process). It's almost as if the good Councillor didn't have a clue what he was talking about.
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Here’s one reason why it should be 20
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Following this morning’s @SP_RECcttee session on my colleague @markruskell’s #saferstreets 20mph Bill, Police Scotland have written to committee member’s apologising for inaccuracies in the evidence they provided.
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https://twitter.com/johnfinniehi/status/1103339249397567491?
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“Dr Ruth Jepson, reader in public health at Edinburgh University, said: “One year after the full implementation of the 20mph across Edinburgh results indicate a decrease in the average speed of 1.6mph, from 24.3mph to 22.7mph.”
She said the figures were in line with expectations for the 20mph scheme.
Giving evidence to the Holyrood committee considering Green MSP Mark Ruskell’s member’s bill which aims to make 20mph the default speed in built up areas throughout Scotland, she said a quarter of the public had initially been against the Capital’s speed cap.
“A year later that’s reduced to one in five. People think they’re not going to like something but when it happens to them it’s not as bad as they thought it was going to be.”
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“she said a quarter of the public had initially been against the Capital’s speed cap”
So, 3/4 in favour??
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So, 3/4 in favour??
Think "Don't know", or similar, was also an option. From memory, it was around half were in favour.
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The 20mph Speed Limit Bill is effectively dead. Giving evidence yesterday, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport, Infrastructure and Connectivity clearly outlined the Scottish Government's opposition. The Tories are against it. There's no real hope of the Bill gaining enough votes to make it to the next stage of parliamentary consideration with the two largest parties opposed.
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@Morningsider
Grim. I'd suggest a wake but of course there will now be actual wakes that the bill could have postponed.
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If SNP vote against it what position will the green party be taking on supporting the SMP's budget (sic)?
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@Morningsider, did the Cabinet Secretary say why the Scottish Government is opposed?
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He rolled out a few of the old classics:
Lowering the speed limit to 20mph is a decision best taken by local authorities.
Extend 20mph limits to roads that aren't self enforcing and people will flout the law.
Police Scotland don't have the resources to enforce the new limit.
We don't have the appropriate data on the road network.
The costs have been underestimated.Posted 5 years ago # -
“The costs have been underestimated.”
And they are? (Estimate and ‘too expensive’ estimate)
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The decision is surely that the cost of the funerals and inquests and surgery and lost work and disease and grief are less than the costs of signage and enforcement.
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chdot - the costs in the Financial Memorandum are possibly slightly underestimated. The FM outlines costs somewhere between £19m and £20m, while the Society of Chief Officers of Transportation indicated in evidence that it is more likely to be in the region of £20m - £33m. Obviously, this is still super value for money. The Glasgow Centre for Population Health central prediction is a saving (due to casualty reduction) of £27.1m per year. In effect the scheme would pay for itself inside two years, with a cost benefit ratio that is pretty much off the scale.
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“Obviously, this is still super value for money.”
Quite so.
Thanks.
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For as long as Scotland (and I guess, UK) is bound by austerity, any spend-to-save approach is practically dead in the water. Long-termism seems to have a maximum value that is remarkably close to the expiry date of the prevailing administration, and short-termism seems to have a maximum value of the end of the next financial year.
Many years ago I argued strongly to uplift the specification for an energy efficiency project, because the ROI would be shortened (by 15-20%), and the NPV was substantially increased. Alas the decision taken was based on available funds, which dictated a downgraded spec that meant that, if you included the labour costs, the project would never pay back. The only reason it happened at all was because the alternative was for all of the ancient equipment to live out the rest of its days and then stop working completely.
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Well, if you want to take this one to the SNP, they're holding their party conference in Edinburgh on the POP weekend.
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