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20mph zones may go Scotland wide after Edinburgh trial

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  1. Morningsider
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    The commitment is to develop a national strategy for 20mph zones and limits in Scotland which:

    ...will identify a number of outcomes to assist in the further delivery of 20mph zones and limits on those roads where it is appropriate to do so.

    Then to undertake a review of national guidance, then to develop an implementation plan for the strategy.

    Nice work for Jacobs and Aecom who drafted this, not so good for the people who will die waiting for change.

    Remember, at the end of this 20mph limits will still have to go through the speed limit order process (same as the TRO process) and be reliant on forward thinking councillors and officers willing to take the stick from nimbys and political opponents.

    Posted 3 years ago #

  2. neddie
    Member

    To be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything

    Posted 3 years ago #

  3. 14Westfield
    Member

    To be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything

    Surely the apogee of modern governance.

    Sir Humphrey would be very pleased with that.

    Posted 3 years ago #

  4. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-56483343

    Early road traffic data from a trial 20mph speed limit across more than 90 Borders towns and villages has been described as "really encouraging".

    Posted 3 years ago #

  5. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "Fife town’s 20mph speed limit to be ditched because most drivers don’t obey it"

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/2238295/fife-towns-20mph-speed-limit-to-be-ditched-because-most-drivers-dont-obey-it/

    Posted 2 years ago #

  6. crowriver
    Member

    I predict that exactly the same will happen to the pavement parking "ban" when it eventually is "implemented" some time in 2030....

    "Oh everybody is parking on the pavement anyway, let's just give up".

    Posted 2 years ago #

  7. acsimpson
    Member

    If the current average speed is 29mph what do they think will happen when they increase the limit to 30mph?

    Posted 2 years ago #

  8. Stickman
    Member

    The usual wailing and moaning from the usual suspects.

    Cole-Hamilton is fully embracing his internet troll persona.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-speed-limits-20mph-rollout-26006057

    Posted 2 years ago #

  9. Morningsider
    Member

    Just remember, when someone gets all excited about the work of the Scottish Parliament's Cross Party Group on Sustainable Transport that the Graham Simpson MSP arguing against 20mph speed limits in that article is its convenor.

    Posted 2 years ago #

  10. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/20mph-zones-may-become-permanent-in-east-lothian-3597925

    Posted 2 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Borders 20mph speed limit move made permanent

    ….

    John Greenwell, executive member for roads development and maintenance, said there was "unequivocal evidence" of the effectiveness of the limit.

    "Although a small number of people had doubts about this project, its introduction has undoubtedly made the Borders a safer and more vibrant place to live," he said.

    “

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-64249342

    Posted 1 year ago #

  12. nobrakes
    Member

    I can however confirm that a large number of vehicles including articulated lorries still
    go though Stow at very high speeds, and I am still regularly overtaken at inopportune places within the village when already doing 20 on my bike.

    Posted 1 year ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

    Small comfort that this is about England

    “

    Ministers consider curbs on councils’ use of 20mph speed limits

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/30/rishi-sunak-councils-20mph-speed-limit-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-ltns

    BUT

    Apart from the small minded micro-management, aren’t there more important things to be dealing with???

    Posted 8 months ago #

  14. gembo
    Member

    Radio 4 had scientist on earlier. She said studies in London suggest LTNs work,

    I thought phew, some facts instead of opinions.

    But no, now they have two petrol heads on. One who supports Sunak but wants local people to decide and a petrol head Steve Berry who said he liked living in an LTN but when he moved and couldn’t drive through it to where he wanted to go he became annoyed.

    What I am struggling with is then why they didn’t refer back to the scientist from 30 mins ago? Maybe they did. I don’t know as I turned the radio off.

    Wrong thread Sorry but looks like the whole March of progress in identifying driving in urban areas as problematical is being halted.

    Posted 8 months ago #

  15. SRD
    Moderator

    I like this tweet from a colleague: @drjennings "The Uxbridge by-election has turned into the Brexit referendum for green policies: huge inferences are being made about the ‘will of the people’ with only limited evidence on what actually informed people’s votes."

    Posted 8 months ago #

  16. Stickman
    Member

    @SRD - it’s extraordinary. And if the by-election had been held in a few weeks when the Brunel University students were back in the area to vote it could have been a different result and this whole debate wouldn’t be happening.

    Posted 8 months ago #

  17. SRD
    Moderator

    for once, a not completely annoying column from Adrian Chiles?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/21/20mph-speed-limit-seemed-unfeasible-i-learned-to-love-pootling-along

    Posted 2 months ago #

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