Whereas police told council and members of the Transport forum 6months ago that they had acquired an extra stash if speed guns and were prepared to enforce.
Sounds like they are politicking to me - trying to make cause for more $
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20mph zones may go Scotland wide after Edinburgh trial
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Posted 9 years ago #
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Found the actual quotes:
Supt Phil O'Kane, of Police Scotland, said: "We will not routinely police the 20mph zones, however we will respond to any particular zones where there is a casualty reduction requirement.
"We will enforce the 20mph zones outside schools because that is important for the children of Edinburgh."
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Edmund King, AA president, said: "What we would advise Edinburgh and other cities looking at 20mph limits is to target them where they really are needed.
"The busiest shopping streets, the road outside the school, the residential areas, rather than just introducing blanket limits, which generally aren't supported by motorists and therefore it's very difficult to enforce."
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"The busiest shopping streets, the road outside the school, the residential areas, rather than just introducing blanket limits, which generally aren't supported by motorists and therefore it's very difficult to enforce."
What none of these turkeys seem to recognise is that there are not many roads in Edinburgh that do not run through residential areas. Glasgow Road? Lined with houses. Leith walk? Tenements along its length. Comiston Road? Houses. Queensferry Road? More houses. Or do they think that the people who live on those roads, and their kids, don't deserve to benefit from an improved quality of life?
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"Or do they think that the people who live on those roads, and their kids, don't deserve to benefit from an improved quality of life?"
Of course not.
Roads are for traffic flow.
People shouldn't live next to them.
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Do the Living Streets thing linked to on the previous page. It does not take long.
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I'm sure members of the transport committee, meeting today, will have seen this -
Presumably Leslie Hinds - and other councillors - will be disappointed, but they should press on with measure to improve Edinburgh.
Not all details will be 'right', but the principles are.
Of course it needs more commitment from the police.
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Neil Greig speaks sense shocker.
Neil Greig came out to the Evening News in favour of Dutch style segregation on Leith Walk:
"safe cycling and walking... cannot be done by simply erecting a few signs."
"segregated cycling facilities... deliver the levels of cycling [the Dutch] now take for granted."
"the opportunity to live in a better environment... requires the redesign of shared spaces and our streetscape to make it clear who has priority. For example, Leith Walk today is an unpleasant “canyon” of big, intrusive buses and noisy traffic. Without redesign it will always remain so."
Or would have done, had the emphasis of the piece been slightly different.
<sigh>
Robert
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There's a CCEer on my screen!
(Deputation about a pedestrian crossing.)
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EEN FFS
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Having child no 1 at SMPS I was very interested in the pedestrian crossing as said child would have to cross this busy road (we used to live 20 yards from the Cluny Centre and I can confirm that in the last year I personally saw 3 collisions at the junction of Braid Road and Comiston Place, so I know it is busy and dangerous.) Anyway, well done fellow CCEer, though I don't know which one, we need that crossing.
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"Anyway, well done fellow CCEer, though I don't know which one
Clearly I do (having met him), but one thing about CCE is that there is a degree of anonymity due to (choice of) user names, which people use for different reasons.
That person may or may not 'reveal' themselves!
(Lesley Hinds just agreed that officials should meet SM parents to discuss possiblities at Braid Road - not least better enforcement of parking restrictions.)
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Cllr Melanie Mains arguing that Cluny Gardens + Greenbank Crescent should also be 20mph.
LH said 'don't want to add individual roads, but I'm sure officials will take note for March report'.
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City centre councillor Karen Doran - 'massive mailbag all in favour - except two'.
Chas Booth 'my mailbag about 12 to 1'
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"Cluny Gardens + Greenbank Crescent should also be 20mph."
....and having moved from Comiston Place to Cluny Gardens I can again confirm that it is busy and dangerous, so well done Cllr Melanie Mains. A sensible plan of action which I hope goes through, stuff the EEN!
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ALso worth noting that Ewan Kennedy the Planning Manager has stated 20mph means that cars will be closer together due to the lower speed so more can fit so equal or less congestion, and as there will be less acceleration/deceleration so a neutral effect of emissions too. Take that EEN commenters!
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Official Ewan Kennedy "trying to maintain 30mph network"
Hmmm
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Leslie Hinds 'want roads at 30 and 40 to allow city to flow'
Yeah yeah.
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LH - listened to Lothian Buses so London Road proposal for 20mph now 30.
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LH rejects Conservative amendment saying councillors will support in their wards but not across city.
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Adam McVey says Lothian Buses were against some 20mph in pilot (Grange Road) due to "intuition" but then got evidence showing only 30sec delay on whole route.
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Chas Booth 'around half households in my constituency don't have access to a car'.
'Not everyone drives around in one ton boxes'
'I'm a car driver too, sometimes'
'Opposition from some misinformed media'
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Motion passed 11-3
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One in the eye for the chipwrapper. That they think they can ignore an extensive, city-wide consultation and then well after it closes, at the last minute wade in with screaming banner headlines and ill-informed rentaquotes proclaiming doom and a citizen's popular revolt (on the basis of their own deluded web-poll) would be laughable if it wasn't such a clear example of what a parlous and pathetic state the local press is in.
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Radical plans to introduce 20mph speed limits across the city centre and on four in five city streets have been approved by councillors.
Members on the Transport and Environment Committee voted by 11 to three in favour of the plans, with city transport convener councillor Lesley Hinds making the case for the measure in order to improve safety.
A Conservative Party amendment against the plans was defeated, and a detailed implementation plan will now be brought before the committee in March, ahead of the start of a phased roll-out starting later this year.
Tory transport spokeswoman councillor Joanna Mowat had complained that the plans were uncosted, and that investment should be made in improving road surfaces. Her party colleagues also argued for a scaled-back 20mph plan that did not include major roads in the city centre.
Council officials at the committee meeting confirmed that it could take “several financial years” to fully roll-out the plans.
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I'm fairly sure that the road surfaces question had nothing to do with the 20mph stuff, and was more to do with the next section of the meeting (match funding for cycle/walking funding)
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It's a regular local Tory (other pro-motoring political parties are available) ruse to claim money being spent on one thing that remotely involves the use of or being near tarmac i.e. cycle paths or 20mph zones or enforcement cameras should instead be directed to something more populist but whose only real tenuous link is also the use of or being near a piece of tarmac i.e. filling potholes (for which there already is a budget.) It allows them to neatly sidestep being against the interests of the urban-dwelling citizenry with whom things such as road calming and paths are actually popular and instead appeal to their core vote of suburbanites who have organised their lives around driving down other peoples streets.
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Some phenomenal comments on the EEN site covering this story. Jezza Clarkson would definitely approve (of the comments, not the 20Mph rollout).
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