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"duff scheme with poor pedestrian and cycle provision" South Queensferry

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  1. bax
    Member

    dalmeny chicanes gaps are way too tight and are unhelpful to negotiate uphill but when you add smartphone distracted pedestrians and/or untethered wayward dogs / toddlers in the mix, as is often the case, its beyond a joke

    Posted 5 months ago #
  2. acsimpson
    Member

    Judging by the state of the grass/hedge either side of the barriers (being non compliant I'm going to stop calling them chicanes) plenty cyclists have discovered it's less convenient to ignore the non-path for that stretch.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    The development will include footpaths and cycle routes that connect to South Queensferry itself, and there will be a provision of 25 per cent affordable homes.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/plans-for-nearly-350-south-queensferry-new-builds-granted-1-4714013

    Posted 4 months ago #
  4. fiefster
    Member

    @acsimpson, a while back you posted a response from Cala about the plethora of chicanes on the cycle path:

    "The barriers placed across the cycleway at the southern road crossing are a temporary measure. These have been put in place as a safety measure while we are installing the monobloc surface to our main road out of this phase. While these works are on going our clients have to access their properties from the Barratt side and so there will be increased traffic across the cycleway while these topping off works are completed. These works will be taking place over the next 2/3 months as we complete this phase of the site. It is our intention to remove the barriers thereafter."

    The building work at this part of the site now seems pretty much to be finished. As promised, can we expect Cala to now remove these "barriers"? Although they do have an air of permanence about them.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  5. acsimpson
    Member

    Hi fiefster,
    I emailed Dennis again at the end of March to ask about progress but haven't yet had a response. I've just send him a little chaser so will report back when I hear anything.

    Did someone mention they have a cordless angle grinder?

    Posted 3 months ago #
  6. fiefster
    Member

    As the ground gets drier I think the detours over the grass will be getting used more often to bypass the chicanes!

    Posted 3 months ago #
  7. Klaxon
    Member

    Cala, providing someone regularly nips their ears, have been good on Brunswick Road at doing what they said they would.

    Posted 3 months ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

  9. HankChief
    Member

    I feel an FOI coming on to see what CEC consented to...

    Also, the RCC refers to Edinburgh Streets Design Guidance which can out last year. I don't recall much discussion on here about them, but maybe I missed it. Looks alright (if adhered to)

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20089/roads_and_pavements/906/edinburgh_street_design

    Posted 1 month ago #
  10. Morningsider
    Member

    The details are all set out in documents included in the Application for Approval of Matters specified in conditions of planning application 11/00995/PPP. Use reference number
    13/03310/AMC in the Council's planning portal.

    There are two documents of interest - the Design and Access Statement and a Cycleway longitudinal section. Neither of these show any chicanes

    Posted 1 month ago #
  11. deckard112
    Member

    First commute back from holiday today and note they've surfaced the roads in the scheme now (good) but relocated the first barrier heading East rather than remove it (bad). Better than where it was given the kerb didn't line up with the access but they make no sense whatsoever.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  12. Blueth
    Member

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    Posted 1 month ago #
  13. Blueth
    Member

    I've always had the feeling going through there that the layout of the (modern design, latest psychology) scheme is designed to encourage motorists to drive slowly. That being so, if they insist on having physically enforced chicanes for safety reasons should not they be on the road rather than the cycle path.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  14. biggles1982
    Member

    First commute in over a week and I noticed the resurfacing and relocation of the chicane. Interesting that unless you join the path at the pavement before entering the estate there is now a strange kerb which you cross over before joining the path heading south. Does anybody else spend more time concentrating on negotiating the chicanes than what traffic is coming? kind of defeats the purpose of them.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  15. bax
    Member

    is the resurfacing at agilent finished?

    i had a bit of a barney with the contractors a week ago, and have changed my route since to avoid further argy bargy as i know full well i just wouldn't have backed down

    in other news the digital counters are up and running on FRB today, it seems

    Posted 1 month ago #
  16. bax
    Member

    checked out this chicane resit at the agilent anti-cycling zone

    they've engineered conflict by funneling all forms of path users narrowly through numerous chicanes

    and now by moving back the chicane nearest the road, have created a rectangular box area between the chicane and road that is perfect for loitering and chatting

    eg dog walkers, pram pushers, mobile phone enthusiasts, schoolkids

    this mixed demographic generally doesn't have much interest in accommodating the progress of cyclists

    and realistically there's no reason why they should

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  17. acsimpson
    Member

    I haven't seen it yet. But it sounds like the space in the cycling by design guide which allows family groups to ensure they are together before proceeding to cross the road.

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  18. bax
    Member

    by jove ac, that sounds likely and reasonable to boot

    if only cycling had a separate channel

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  19. HankChief
    Member

    Cycling by Design 6.5 is Access controls (Chicanes & Bollards)

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  20. Blueth
    Member

    6.5 Access controls on cycle routes should be avoided wherever possible, and only used where there is a proven requirement.

    Has the requirement been proven here, or at many other places for that matter?

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

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