Car driven into a lamp post at 94 mph in a 45 mph zone, killing the two occupants. Whose fault is it? The car's of course!
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Posted 8 years ago #
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No no
It's the maker -
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The daughter of the late Fast and Furious actor Paul Walker is to sue carmaker Porsche over the crash in which he died, US reports say.
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A MAN is fighting for his life after being struck by a car in a hit-and-run in the city centre
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That's reasonable journalism - he was struck by the car.
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@chdot
At least the polis are now searching for the driver, yesterday they seemed to be holding the car entirely responsible.
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the document claims the car lacked "features that could have prevented the accident or, at a minimum, allowed Paul Walker to survive the crash".
I was unaware that Porsches are not fitted with brakes.
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I was unaware that Porsches are not fitted with brakes.
This apparent idiocy may turn out to have a silver lining - if car manufacturers start getting sued for not preventing drivers from driving dangerously, they may all start fitting speed limiters.
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All that money and it didn't even have a GPS linked with a database of speedlimits.
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They ought to be sued for not investigating (and doing everything in their power to prevent a recurrence) every single collision and near miss that occurs in their vehicles.
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Inadvertently watched some car adverts while catching la vuelta highlights. Big focus seemed to be on automatic braking systems, that would apparently mean that your car would save you if you decided that looking at your front seat passenger and/or children in the back seat was more important than watching the road ahead.
Top end cars have had these systems for years, but it seems to be spreading to more ordinary cars, and being pushed as a selling point.
It seems likely that any belief that your car will save you whatever is only going to encourage worse driving, as people absorb any risk reduction into their behaviour.
Unsurprisingly, there was no suggestion that these systems might help anyone but the occupants of the car itself.
On the other hand, if the American legal system decides that a sports car has to save its occupants even if driven at a lamppost at 90mph, then there may need to be more fundamental rethink of the engineering.
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The small print on those ads also suggests you've got to be travelling under something like 20mph for the braking system to be effective.
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Oh does it? That must be VERY small print then! Normally people in car adverts are driving around cities very fast indeed.
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"Normally people in car adverts are driving around"
in places where there are no other cars.
Sark?
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in places where there are no other cars.
Ha yes. And where cyclists love when you drive as close to them as possible so they can smile dreamily at your lovely car.
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There's another ad, I think for the Vauxhall Mokka, that plays on the car being 'ready' for anything.
So they've got billboards along the lines of 'Don't wake her father Ready' (where some young ruffian is dropping off his girlfriend after a (sober) night out); 'What do we do now Ready' (for a young couple home with their new baby). Which is all a little contrived, but playful I guess. Then there's 'MAMIL Ready' (where basically a couple of cyclists are knackered from riding up a hill, and are happy to see their friend arrive in the Mokka with an integrated bike rack). So switches into 'why on earth would you want to cycle up that hill?'.
I've had one as a hire car and hated it; that can be doubled now.
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Oh does it? That must be VERY small print then! Normally people in car adverts are driving around cities very fast indeed.
Yep. Like all the Nissan Juke ads where their car is 'ready for anything the city can throw at it'. Boke.
But I do remember watching an auto-braking ad where, hurrahe, the car saved the chap running into the back of a big, visible, lit up, lorry in the middle of an otherwise empty cityscape in the evening with streetlights and the headlights on on the car, with his wife in the passenger seat and kiddywinks behind, hurrah for the car, and thinking, 'he was definitely going faster than the speed they say that works up to, given the empty roads and so on, so despite the small print they're really imprinting the idea that this braking malarkey can now effectively be forgotten about'....
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Yes, and the idea that you need to pay any attention to where you are going. Though most car adverts show the driver doing pretty much anything but that..
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Lots of people hurt so a very bad incident.
Driver (& 2 others) mentioned in critical condition otherwise it was all down to the car.
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Out-of-control bus kills two and injures several more. There was apparently a driver but bus held responsible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-34436360
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crumbling-building-roof-falls-onto-car-1-3910877
Not sentient enough?
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Other offences dealt with included vehicles being overweight, using red diesel, having no MOT, and driving without wearing a seatbelt.
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Lorry deliberately drives into house:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-34669913Who'd have thought that lorries were capable of deliberation?
(from the headline here: http://www.bbc.com/news/england)
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@edd1e_h
Can't see that headline, but do like 'Ambulance failure over 111 calls'.
Hope the ambulances get a good talking to.
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Meanwhile:
a coach carrying 65 passengers turned on its side and ended up in a ditch in Cambridgeshire.What did it think would happen after it turned onto it's side.
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"A MAN has died after his car overturned and crashed into a vehicle parked outside a pub.
Police said the black Ford Mondeo hit a traffic pole and a bus stop before flipping onto its roof and colliding with a stationary Vauxhall Corsa."
Such BAD cars, getting into a fight without a thought for the consequences
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A lorry lost control and crashed through a wall and into the Black Bull on Calton Road
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/beer-delivery-truck-hits-wall-1-3966402
Good photo!
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from the photos it looks like the truck was on Calton Hill and must have rolled backwards down onto Calton Road?
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More info:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35000276
"An eyewitness said: "The lorry swerved to miss a black car and crashed into two walls, I expect due to the rain.""
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"The lorry swerved to miss a black car and crashed into two walls, I expect due to the rain."
I'm struggling to understand this. What speed must it have been going to (presumably) swerve up Calton Hill and then roll back over the wall?
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The article also says "The Matthew Clark lorry... is understood to have crashed on Calton Road after rolling down a steep slope."
So it both swerved to miss a mystery car and then rolled down the hill into the wall?
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Bad lorry!
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