a lorry hit another lorry
Lorries fighting - what a mess!
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36091486
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A driver is mentioned later on:-
The driver was treated by paramedics after suffering a hand injury, police said.
Drop their mobile phone did they? ::-/
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Maybe a pre-emptive eye test would have been more effective.
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This makes a change!
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Man smashes car through wall of Kirkcaldy Co-op store
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/man-smashes-car-through-wall-of-kirkcaldy-co-op-store-1-4149005
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"A CAR ploughed into an estate agent’s window after swerving off the road as the driver tried to avoid a crash."
Perhaps this is one for the driverless cars thread. Would AI have made a different decision. This driver clearly thought that an Estate Agent would be safer crash than a multiple vehicle pile up.
Strangely there is no details on the crash between the other car and the taxi (or their drivers).
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What a hero, just as well no one was on the pavement...
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Funny how EEN have switched the comments off for a car crash.
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They seem to be over cautious this week. Perhaps someone had their knuckles rapped.
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Jaguar flips on to roof in Aberdeenshire road crash
A Jaguar car has landed on its roof after a crash in Aberdeenshire.
The incident happened on the A93 between Banchory and Aboyne at around 8.50am on Friday.
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The police response to this Jaguar crash seems to differ significantly from others where the scene is taped off and roads closed for hours. Why is that? Is it because "the driver was uninjured, and no other vehicle was involved." But the driver was clearly doing something non-sentient if not illegal.
Would it be possible to fit all vehicles with a "black box" - a driving data recorder, registering speed, acceleration (possible derivable from speed), when braking applied etc that could be interrogated by police after an incident? Too intrusive? Too costly? Too crazy?
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@ih re "black box" to record what these bad cars are doing - Modern cars probably already have several - Electronic Control Units for airbags, engine management, anti-lock braking etc. Data from these has been retrieved and used in dangerous driving trials eg see http://www.roadsafetyscotland.com/downloads/resources/alastair-bain---the-future-of-speed-determination/
IMO It should be easier than it is for Police to get access to this data. It was suggested that some car makers were deliberately obstructing investigators from finding out what their cars had done, in case it put some people off buying them!
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slowcoach, the simple solution to that would be to level the playing field. If all new cars needed to be able to report the data there would be no competitive advantage (perceived or otherwise).
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I'll let you make your own minds up about the taxi owners comments in the first story...
http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/14570231.Safety_fears_after_cars_spin_at_Rosyth_roundabout/
This second story leads me to believe we are now subject to a Terminator style gameplan to overthrow humanity. Does anyone know if Cyberdyne Systems have an automotive division?
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Thanks @slowcoach for bringing me slightly more up to date with modern vehicular transport. I agree that it should therefore be made much easier for police (and possibly insurance companies?) to get access to this data. I think we'd see a massive increase in adherence to speed limits.
Stangely, I'm very much in favour of tech companies not being forced to unload and decrypt phone data, as in the recent Apple case, but I have no qualms in this car technology being made standard and then the information being made available to the police. Can't quite figure myself what the difference is!
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@deckard, The list in the second article seems to just be where the sentients have damaged buildings or gardens. I imagine it's a very small selection of the incident occurring in Fife over the same timeframe.
@ih, Could the difference be that your phone contains private information while the speed your car is travelling at along with most of details of how it is driven is very much public information which could have been recorded by anyone who happened to have recording equipment setup.
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"Can't quite figure myself what the difference is!"
Cars spend more of their active lives travelling through publicly-accessible areas with lethal energies?
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Good grief, drivers in Fife must be absolutely dreadful to have damaged so many buildings in just three weeks!
Oh I forgot, it's the fault of the cars or the road, isn't it? Nothing to do with the drivers, they're just as much victims as the hospital patients and newly homeless residents of the buildings they crashed into, completely blamelessly of course.
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@wingpig Cars spend more of their active lives travelling through publicly-accessible areas with lethal energies?
I'm guessing that the ~20 kJ stored in a mobile phone could be creatively used lethally... Much more that the muzzle energy of the average bullet.
Of course, the average car has about 100-200 kJ at 30mph, so your point is still perfectly valid, I'm just impressed by the energy densities of current batteries!
Robert
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Slightly further up to date than my previous post, and linked to Thursday's voting here is something the EU has done to make cars slightly more intelligent:
"On 28 April 2015 the European Parliament voted in favour of eCall regulation which requires all new cars be equipped with eCall technology from April 2018. eCall will be seamlessly functioning throughout Europe by that time. In the event of a serious accident, eCall automatically dials 112 - Europe's single emergency number." This means all new cars will monitor themselves for speed and rapid deceleration to tell if they are in a crash so they can call for help. More infoPosted 8 years ago # -
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Wow, they should just leave the car on the plinth. It seems a fitting memorial to the modern world.
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He maintained that the brakes had failed.
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In a desperate bid to avoid justice, Jenkin lied to police, telling them the brakes had failed – a claim dismissed by experts.
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Awww
Lorry just wants its belly scratched:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-37088231
Bad lorry.
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No charges??
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Well. Is it possible that the van's handbrake had a latent defect, which went 'ping' while the driver was out of the van, which couldn't have been detected beforehand?
Unless we know that the driver left the van parked without checking the handbrake was on / in gear; or that the employers had checked the van and wilfully ignored a clear problem, then how can we make a judgment on whether there should be charges or not?
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