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Wow! Most astonishingly head up backside EEN comment in ages!

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  • Started 11 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
  • Latest reply from allebong

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  1. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    ""They argue that the transport sector accounts for a quarter of all of climate change emissions in Scotland, "

    Firstly I would like to see their evidence, Presumably this is based on the lie that Co2 causes climate change?

    What we do actually and factually know is the transport sector accounts for 100% of the industrial, commercial and economic activity traffic movements in Scotland, and without which the Economy of Scotland will be poorer and more and more people will be out of work and forced into poverty by GreenAnarchist Policies.

    If people want to cycle and walk there is nothing to stop them. They should obey the laws of the road and take reasonable steps to ensure their own safety when using the roads with other road users. In particular when cycle ways are available along a route these should be used!

    If they want another £40 million paid for by the hard pressed tax payer, then this should be self financing from the issue of Cycling licences and a new cycle road duty. Everyone else pays!

    Above all GreenAnarchist Policies should be ended now = save the Human race and the Planet!"

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  2. amir
    Member

    I hope these people don't have children. Or may be they don't care about them.

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  3. gibbo
    Member

    If they want another £40 million paid for by the hard pressed tax payer, then this should be self financing from the issue of Cycling licences and a new cycle road duty. Everyone else pays!

    I suppose, based on that logic, I could argue that all child support payments should be funded by a tax on parents.

    I don't have kids, why should I pay?

    Similarly, I don't have a cervix, so why should I be taxed in order to fund cervical cancer screenings?

    And so on and so on, with ever more ridiculous examples...

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  4. Morningsider
    Member

    Here is "their evidence":

    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0042/00426339.pdf

    The DVLA runs an annual operating loss of around £60m - which is made up by the general taxpayer. See page 53 of their annual report:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/209297/DVLA_Annual_Report_2012-13.pdf

    I imagine any cycle equivalent would also run at a loss.

    Even if man made climate change was a lie (which it isn't) - why would you oppose active travel, reducing waste, preventing habitat destruction etc. Aren't these worthwhile things in their own right - with the added benefit of also helping to reduce climate change.

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  5. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    There's a great cartoon I saw once on climate change. Big conference and there's a guy at the back commenting, "But what if climate change is all a lie and we make the planet a better place for nothing?"

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  6. amir
    Member

    We really shouldn't get sucked in. Those making EEN comments seem to live in a different world (at least I hope so).

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  7. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    I read them to remind myself I'm sane. It's been a while since I actually got embroiled in the pages.

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  8. DaveC
    Member

    Jeepers WC, I know I'm sane and don't feel the need to read the trolls in EEN to know this. I guess you need your wife to tell you she loves you, regularly, to be reminded of that too? Carefull 'man', or you'll be turned away from the gate at St James' park!! ;o)

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  9. PS
    Member

    I hope these people don't have children. Or may be they don't care about them.

    Why should these people care about their children? Clearly their own parents didn't care about them, but look how reasonable and well adjusted they turned out to be.

    So it goes.

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  10. i
    Member

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  11. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    "Carefull 'man', or you'll be turned away from the gate at St James' park!! ;o)"

    Takes a special kind of insanity to follow us lot.... Haway the lads the neet!

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  12. neddie
    Member

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html

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  13. allebong
    Member

    I always like how in any article pointing out how badly misinformed people are on subjects like immigration, welfare, the EU etc, you can absolutely depend on people responding with misinformation about immigration, welfare and the EU etc.

    With regards to Mr GreenAnarchist - seriously, where do these people come up with this stuff - he has some very stiff competition.

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  14. sallyhinch
    Member

    I heard an interesting take from a climate change sceptic today. He reckoned that it was a conspiracy that had been cooked up because it would be a good thing for people to use less fossil fuels (I suppose because we're running out), and so they'd made up climate change in order to persuade people to save fuel and not stockpile it instead.

    An otherwise lovely man who was giving me a lift in the pouring rain so I didn't argue.

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  15. cb
    Member

    "climate change sceptic denier"

    Don't like to pollute that word.

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  16. custard
    Member

    Meant to post this one,but I'll plonk it in here

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2012/01/23/copenhagens-green-sheen-its-not-just-about-the-bikes/2/

    £40 million?
    small change

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  17. Stickman
    Member

    I think it should be possible to believe that climate change is happening but at the same time question whether the proposed solutions are optimal (or even required, in some instances) without being labelled a "denier" or subjected to abuse or scorn.

    Although I accept that the commenters quoted above may not hold such a position.

    /*ducks below parapet*/

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  18. Wilmington's Cow
    Member

    Well the commenter in the OP referred to the 'lie that is climate change', so I think definitely falls into the 'denier' camp.

    I'd have said that doubting the proposed solution doesn't make you a sceptic about climate change per se... Certainly solution sceptic?

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  19. Stickman
    Member

    Fair point and I'm happy with that label.

    Can we agree to call the majority of EEN commenters nutjobs though? ;-)

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  20. Focus
    Member

    Pretty safe to call that one a fact!

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  21. gembo
    Member

    Well, Aside from the nomenclature being a little pejorative I think my only other shoulder check is an idea I have in my head about mild mannered, good natured people in public adopting maniacal personas on online forums?

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  22. Uberuce
    Member

    http://xkcd.com/438/

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2939

    Wise webcomic words.

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  23. allebong
    Member

    "mild mannered, good natured people in public adopting maniacal personas on online forums?"

    Google 'greater internet theory' and have your suspicions confirmed. Preferably not at work or within sight of children though.

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  24. chdot
    Admin

    "mild mannered, good natured people in public adopting maniacal personas on online forums"

    Anyone in mind??

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  25. gembo
    Member

    @uberuce, that is what I said except in pictures. I like the first one for its simplicity and I like the second one for its Venn Diagram logic.

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  26. Greenroofer
    Member

    I'm a maniac in real life, but I adopt a mild mannered good nature on online forums...

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  27. gembo
    Member

    Ah Greenroofer you are the opposite of me but the point still stands that online avatars are often nothing like the real people

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  28. allebong
    Member

    I was browsing the off-topic section of a forum I occasionally visit and came across this beauty of a thread

    Now, before you go reading it, bear in mind this is an IT/tech/computer forum, and a well known and respected one at that, so it's not your normal cesspool of anonymity. Several members there are happy to be known as real life professionals and the place is in general quite high-brow.

    Fair enough if it's the off-topic section but still. I'm actually amazed the first mention of road tax was from one of the few self-confessed cyclists in that thread. The usual attitudes that we don't belong on the roads, should bow down to our masters the motor car, we must obey the highway code (except the bit saying it's okay to ride 2 abreast of course) etc etc, you've all seen it before. The most amusing part is definitely when some smart-aleck high and mighty poster suggest cyclists should be obeying the speed limits, whereupon it is pointed out the speed limits don't apply to bikes, at which point the original poster thinks he's won by linking to an article about those cyclists getting fined in Richmond park for speeding. You know, the article that points out speed limits don't apply to bikes....

    At the time of writing someone is still vehemently insisting bikes should be registered as they get 'free use of the road without paying'. Again, these people are not idiots, but you wouldn't think so given how impervious so many of them are to basic reasoning.

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