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chdot
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Haymarket Station (@HaymarketStn)
29/11/2013 10:09
@BCCletts @CyclingEdin Opeing new concourse is not completion of work at staton. Working with Sustrans to get best use of space for cyclists

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@BCCletts: @HaymarketStn @CyclingEdin Hope you are also engaging with local users - @SpokesLothian and CCE ?

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@HaymarketStn: @BCCletts @CyclingEdin @SpokesLothian We have and we are, but Sustrans is appropriate 'umbrella' to channel and share stakeholder's views

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@CyclingEdin: @SustransScot how are things going @HaymarketStn re cycle parking? Do you want views?

@BCCletts @SpokesLothian @planningedin @CllrJimOrr

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This is the station that's opening very soon??

Posted 10 years ago #
DaveC
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So they are ONLY working with Sustrans? Expect a long winding, conveluted, round the houses, dismount, remount, nearmiss route to the station then?

Posted 10 years ago #
SRD
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"Sustrans is appropriate 'umbrella' to channel and share stakeholder's views"

really>? they seem to have ignored them too.

Posted 10 years ago #
chdot
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@SustransScot: @CyclingEdin It would be good if you could send @Edinburgh_CC and @NetworkRailSCOT your thoughts directly about @HaymarketStn

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@John_Lauder: Correction: cycle parking at Haymarket contact following: @HaymarketStn & @SustransScot & @SpokesLothian & @Edinburgh_CC @CyclingEdin

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@SustransScot: @CyclingEdin @HaymarketStn @BCCletts @SpokesLothian @planningedin @CllrJimOrr We arehappy to receive ideas on Haymarket Stn via John_Laude

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If that makes sense(?)

Posted 10 years ago #
SRD
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so sustrans says contact haymarket and haymarket says contact sustrans?

Posted 10 years ago #
Wilmington's Cow
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Up.

Thinking.

Joined.

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skotl
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Joined

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skotl
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Thinking

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skotl
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Up

Posted 10 years ago #
allebong
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Cognition undownwards dedisassembled.

Posted 10 years ago #
cb
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Opens tomorrow, 5.30am

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/revamped-haymarket-railway-station-opens-tomorrow-1-3237681

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
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That's my usual commute: I'll report back...
We'll all have to walk a little further down Haymarket Terrace than we're used to.
Yesterday I noticed that there were new information boards up and running on the platforms.

I hope they'll fix the automated public address announcements - at the moment they seem to default to telling you about trains going through to Waverley over trains going the other way to anywhere else!

Posted 10 years ago #
crowriver
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A Marks and Spencer convenience store is the main retail outlet on the concourse’s ground floor and is set to open by March next year, while the retail giant will also run a smaller outlet on the new station’s mezzanine. All important for morning commuters, new coffee shops have also been built inside the station.

Network Rail Haymarket project manager Tom McPake happily declared “everything has gone to plan”.

He said: “We’re very happy that we’ll be open for business on Thursday morning.

You see, M&S rental income so much more impotant than access/space for bikes.

The main building features a high-grade transparent plastic roof similar to Waverley while an extra set of stairs and “rugby tunnel” has been built specifically for match days at Murrayfield Stadium.

The alternative entrance is designed to avoid lengthy queues out of the front of the station.

Mr McPake added: “It helps the pedestrian flow and allows us to accommodate big crowds through the station without disrupting the normal service.

“Getting people in and out of the station will be a lot easier. It will cure any bottlenecks.”

So, a special entrance for rugger types, but none for cycles?

Posted 10 years ago #
kaputnik
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So, a special entrance for rugger types

They can run through trains from Gala in the future. If only they'd built the Borders railway as far as Hawick they could have guaranteed income for years to come in rugby traffic.

Posted 10 years ago #
crowriver
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Maybe worth remembering the history of this project:

The existing facilities at Haymarket are too 'awful' to leave as they are, according to Labour's Leslie Hinds. She said:

"I don't even use Haymarket because it's so awful. The disabled access is not good. I think any improvement is good. The concern is how it all fits together."

From: 'Bog standard' revamp of Haymarket station approved

http://www.theguardian.com/edinburgh/2011/jan/12/edinburgh-haymarket-station-new-design-approved

Cyclists

When the survey was being conceived, we planned asking cyclists where they left their bikes. However, it emerged that 77% of cyclists arriving at the station planned on taking their bikes on the train and 77% of cyclists leaving the station had arrived with their bikes on the train. Facilitating the numbers of people needing to move to and from platforms with bikes is clearly going to be a challenge for any future planning and development.

From: 'Haymarket Station Facilities: Research Summary'
Prepared By: George Street Research. Issue Date: 20 December 2006

http://www.haymarketinterchange.com/img/HISAM-User-Survey-Summary.pdf

Posted 10 years ago #
cb
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"We'll all have to walk a little further down Haymarket Terrace than we're used to."

Yes, I had clocked this too. However, I noted the other day that my usual waiting point on the platform is beyond the end of the new steps, so unless they change the stopping point for the trains (which would kind of make sense) then I don;t actually have to travel any further under my own steam.

You will be OK, you usually walk half-way to Livingston before stopping ;)

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
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@cb this is true - I like to go to the quieter end of the train :-)

I come down Dalry Road so have always got off and the bottom and walked round the corner. What I am wondering is; do I just walk all the way down the pavement, or do I walk round the corner and then hop back on the bike for 50 metres? Hmmm. Will have to try both...

Posted 10 years ago #
cb
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Given what that 50m of road contains I'd be inclined to walk!

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
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Well yes, this is true... the decision to walk or cycle may turn out to depend on how many taxis there are in the rank!

I can imagine more people cycling on the pavement along that bit, annoyingly.

Posted 10 years ago #
chdot
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"I can imagine more people cycling on the pavement along that bit, annoyingly."

Jim Orr might approve...

Posted 10 years ago #
chdot
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Bit surprised to find this still online -

http://www.haymarketinterchange.com

Seems the 'flying glass' didn't survive the public consultation (or cost cutting?) -

http://www.haymarketinterchange.com/img/pdf/haymarket-proposal.pdf

(Includes "13. Bicycle storage / hire")

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
Member

Interesting (from the Guardian link)

"Some local politicians said today they were frustrated to be bound by legislation dating back to 1839 which meant there was no requirement for Network Rail to consult before putting their plans forward."

and
"It's a huge disappointment we can't look at the taxis" ...."

Posted 10 years ago #
chdot
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"It's a huge disappointment we can't look at the taxis" ...."

There are taxispotters??

Posted 10 years ago #
kaputnik
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The interchange link above also shows the plans to have the new buildings span the tracks and connect with Dalry Road behind Ryries.

(Includes "13. Bicycle storage / hire")

On Distillery "we can't even think about going there" Lane.

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
Member

Well.

I walked down the pavement. There was a police video surveillance van in the taxi rank (along with some taxis, but none extending out into the road...). The doors to the old station have barriers in front of them, just to make it quite clear you can't go in that way.

There are signs with arrows to taxi ranking somewhere further down the road...

There's lots of space inside (yes, that would be the plan). There are wide gates in the barriers for prams, bikes, etc (there'd be a bit of an outcry if there were not...). There's a little bit of a bottleneck at the top of the stairs to platform 4, just where the lift shaft goes down. Not a big deal, I don't think.

Nice new information boards, excellent. Same automated announcement issues (I didn't really expect that to change at this point).

There's obviously still work to be done (the platform surfaces need finishing, for example). But as someone who goes through there with a bike, I am pleased, and I think I & my bike will be less of an obstacle to other people than in the past.

Posted 10 years ago #
chdot
Admin

How did 'pedestrian circulation' seem outside the old and new entrance area?

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
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@chdot much as usual as far as I can recall. Remember I'm there at 7:30 in the morning - wait till I've been through at 6pm this evening when it will be busier.

The main concorse felt very empty, to be honest!

There was one dozy female who stopped almost in front of the doors to look at her phone - I muttered "Please don't stop there, thank you" as I went past...

I think there were extra staff around to make sure we all found our way to our trains OK!

Posted 10 years ago #
cb
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It supposed to be accessible via the old building some time in April I think.

Posted 10 years ago #
fimm
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@cb yes I recall reading that somewhere. It will be interesting to see if most people who come from that side then go in through the old building or go round to the new doors (I should probably do the latter, with the bike).

Posted 10 years ago #
wingpig
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Wonder how many people heading to/from the east will start going straight across Haymarket Terrace at the tram-stop pedestrian crossing to avoid the mangle of multiple/staggered crossings towards Dalry Rd and Morrison St? Might ease pressure on the Ryrie corner a bit.

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