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Heriot-Watt - NE access path and routes

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  1. zeyn
    Member

    First, I'm pleased to report that the access route from Research Ave N to the campus is now nice smooth tarmac, after having been treacherous gravel for a few weeks. We should probably be extra considerate of pedestrians on that path, in case they try to change it back.

    Second, I thought I'd share my usual route to campus from the city - Google Maps

    On this route, the triple gate system from the other thread (http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11860) was still in place as of this morning.

    There's a page listing alternative routes at http://www.hw.ac.uk/cycling/. The first of the canal routes they suggest means staying on the canal a bit further, but I think it's pretty marginal between getting off at Gogar Station Road or Hermiston House Road.

    Finally, Transition Heriot-Watt have various resources for cyclists.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. kdstephen
    Member

    It's interesting that Google Maps no longer shows the full path from Research Park North to the Research Avenue.

    I sometimes go the route you've shown but the triple gates are a test of your slow speed balance, including confidence. That and the bumpiness of the road before it means I often keep going to the next bridge. It's a bit mucky and there's one more set of cobbles but often it's just as fast.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    @zeyn

    Is that the gravel path that replaces the path that came out at the recycling area? Very treacherous gravel

    Coming off the canal before hermiston is better than stayingon until hermiston house as you have to double back slightly to the crossing which does not have a traffic light

    Thanks fortune link to transition

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. jdanielp
    Member

    Yeah, the issue of the gravel path being unfriendly to cyclists was brought up at the cycling focus group that I attended last week so it is good to see action being taken to rectify that so quickly (assuming that it was related to the focus group, not a coincidence). I cycled up the path today and it is indeed nice and smooth although I wasn't entirely sure what to do at the top... I just carried on along the pavement until the zebra crossing and then popped down onto the road there since that is the only place with a dropped curb.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. jdanielp
    Member

    @gembo you have a better chance of spotting kingfishers if you carry on along the canal to Hermiston House ;-)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    @jdanielp I wonder if we are talking about the same gravel path? My one replaces a whindust path that you accessed by going down to the recycling area. This was closed and replaced by a rough gravel thing of great treachery. But the new treacherous one ends at the road and take the road round to the zebra crossing, I will need to investigate.

    I was going to cycle a roundabout way to Ratho yesterday to try to spot the kingfisher but was too windy. I thought you said the smaller one was heading further in to town? I am hopeful of clocking them soon.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. zeyn
    Member

    @gembo - yes, that path, it was pretty scary cycling downhill on it.

    @kdstephen - where's that path? It does show the path you use from Hermiston House down to Research Ave

    @jdanielp - that's what I've been doing too, just going along the pavement until the zebra crossing.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. jdanielp
    Member

    It's a little scary cycling down it without the gravel, but fun: care definitely required if others are around!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. Charterhall
    Member

    Does anyone know what the story is with the NW path at HW ? Why has it been blocked and how long is this going to remain ? There's a gap but it's not wide enough to squeeze through with panniers so I've been having to take my chances on the A road since they blocked it.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    Browsing the various bits of HW website I thought they were designating that path as the cycle entrance, however I may have picked that up wrongly.

    I can squeeze through the gap on spesh tricross and two panniers but it is very muddy. In summer this is my preferred route, sort of HW bypass. You can see where they thought STEM businesses would move in.but didn't. You get a lovely wide road with no traffic, save one bus, you can overshoot to a very wide pavement/path tht no one uses and then just the last bit with the mud and the boulder. Though the two new bits of Tarmac make the other route nicer.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. jdanielp
    Member

    @gembo I have just had a single recent spotting of the 'smaller' (or maybe just further away) kingfisher prior to the Hermiston House section so far, so it is hard to generalise, but good luck spotting it/them in any case.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. jdanielp
    Member

    I seemingly came the closest I've yet been in five years of cycling to being run over this morning – this was at the zebra crossing over Research Avenue North just after entering the campus as usual from the North Gate/A71. I had overtaken another cyclist on the path after entering the campus, but then had slowed down to cross at the zebra crossing (although the metal gate that is designed to slow down traffic from the path before crossing was partly open as is occasionally the case, so I wasn't actually forced to slow down). There was one car approaching at low speed from the right and two cars approaching at a higher speed (despite the speed bumps prior to the zebra crossing), but safely within the 20mph speed limit, from the left. By my judgement, the vehicles all had more than enough time and space to give way to me so I slowly started to cross the road. I wasn't massively surprised that the first of the faster moving cars coming from the left, so at the far side of the crossing to me, did not react and continued over the crossing despite the fact that I was already crossing by this point, so I gesticulated my irritation with the usual lift of the arm in incredulity as I came to a near stop part way across the zebra crossing. What did surprise me was that, as I turned my head to follow the the car that was crossing ahead of me, I then realised that the car to my right hadn't actually stopped when I started crossing the road either... It had stopped by now, but it was well onto the zebra crossing, within a couple of feet of me. I followed through with my arm raised in the direction of the driver and made a point of indicating the existence of the novelty crossing very clearly to him before finally continuing over the road.

    I've experienced similar issues of cars continuing on over this crossing when I had been starting to cross previously, although I've always felt like I was able to anticipate what would happen in advance, whereas today felt like an unexpectedly close call... There seemed to be more traffic on the campus in general this morning, so I wonder if these were drivers who are not used to the campus layout. In any case, it almost seems like, as a cyclist, I can be invisible when approaching a shared zebra crossing like this.

    Anyway, rant over. I'm going to be extra cautious when crossing here (and also when dropping down from the nice new ungravelled path/pavement route at the zebra crossing on the boundary road) from now on and suggest that others are too. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has experienced issues along these lines since I think I'll send an email to Transition Heriot-Watt and see what they have to suggest (I did mention this briefly during the cycling focus group the other week but maybe not as clearly as I could have).

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. Roibeard
    Member

    @jdanielp - Maybe a slightly pedantic point, but the Highway Code doesn't allow for cycling across zebra crossings, although perhaps this is on a private road is a novel implementation.

    Due to their speed of approach, a cyclist could be on the crossing quicker than a driver might expect i.e. the time that the cyclist is visible prior to crossing is less than the time that a pedestrian is visible on the threshold of crossing.

    Technically the driver needs to cede priority to those on the crossing, but usually anticipates that need and cedes priority when they observe someone approaching the crossing - few drivers expect the pedestrian to step off first...

    "Suddenly" appearing on the crossing (where suddenly means quicker than a pedestrian could appear on the crossing) may catch them off guard.

    This may be way there aren't official shared zebra crossings, but there are shared light controlled crossings.

    I'd definitely exercise particular care cycling across a zebra crossing for this reason - if it's intended as a cycling crossing it seems set up for uncomfortable interactions.

    Glad you're OK!

    Robert

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. jdanielp
    Member

    @Roibeard that's interesting to find out although I'm fairly confident that the drivers of the cars are not using that knowledge to choose not to give way to me!

    I understand about the speed issue. That's presumably why the metal barriers are in place, but why they are often left open, allowing cyclists (or indeed running pedestrians) to hurtle across the road (not that I do) is confusing and inconsistent, and the fact that there is a shared use path on either side certainly doesn't make it clear how the crossing should be negotiated...

    Cars have the 20mph speed limit and speedbumps on the approach to either side of the zebra crossing, which are presumably supposed to slow them down; in practice this is ineffective or ignored by many of the drivers.

    A bit of Googling on the subject turned up a document by Sustrans about this issue in which they state that:
    "it is not illegal to cycle across a Zebra crossing if there is shared-use to either side, but it is contrary to Rule 64 of the Highway Code which states that cyclists should dismount and walk across Zebra crossings. Breach of the Highway Code could be used as evidence of an offence, e.g. cycling dangerously, or of evidence of negligence in the event of a collision."

    I will bring up these points if/when I email THW, but it seems like I might be running the risk of having the metal barriers closed permanently (although that is ultimately a 'good' thing I suppose) and signs put up telling cyclists to dismount before crossing over!

    Thanks for the well wishes.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    @jdanp

    Bad one

    I always wait at that zebra to see what the car is going to do. invariably they stop to let me cross. I am usually coming the other way which involves a slight incline which probably helps me to stop. As you mention, the gates on the other side also slow you down.

    As with any motor vehicle coming out of a junction when I have right of way I like to look the driver in the eye to establish contact. Even then I try to proceed with caution.

    I have been trying for years now to remove assumptions that over ride what might happen. When Andrew McNicholl was killed on the A70 this was on the dual carriaged part of the road, but with island pinch points and on street parking. I used to always relax my vigilance at this stretch because of the two lanes.

    sorry to get heavy, take care everybody.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    I went looking for the kingfisher this morning but no joy. I did find the zebra crossing. Coming from the south I waited As two buses were coming along from the east. The first a single decker floored it and blazed through. The second a double decker stopped miles back, flashed its lights and let me over

    Posted 10 years ago #

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