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Modal KSI rates

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  • Started 10 years ago by le_soigneur
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  1. le_soigneur
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    Interesting contrast between relative KSI rates normalised per mile for different transport modes (See p23)
    For Killed, Motorbike is worst (60%), followed by Pedal Cyclist(20%), then Pedestrian(18%). Coach/Bus 5%. Car 2%.
    This changes as you go to serious injury, the trend continuing into slight injury, which has the breakdown:
    Motorbike(40%), followed by Pedal Cyclist(35%) & Pedestrian(12%). Coach/Bus 15%. Car 3%.
    It seems to me that motorbikes have worse fatality rates than bicycles possibly because of their own speed on rural roads. However bicycles have worse injury rates, because of their lower speed and that they mix more with powered vehicles in lower-speed 30/40mph urban roads. Hence the argument for segregation.
    Allowing for the small sample size, why is coach/bus so high? I would have thought with professional drivers and a large footprint, such vehicles would be much safer than cars.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. neddie
    Member

    KSI figures 'per mile' are misleading. By that definition, the space shuttle is one of the safest forms of transport!

    It is far better to look at KSI per journey, or per hour. Then cycling KSI becomes similar to that for driving (and flying also becomes as dangerous as driving)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. le_soigneur
    Member

    So where are ksi normalised to time published?
    I don't think per trip is valid, because there is no comparison between a trip to JOG and a trip to the corner shop.
    I'm not interested in air/rail/space.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. le_soigneur
    Member

    To answer my own question
    User Fatalities/Millon hours( 2006-08)
    1. Motorbike 4.2
    2. Cyclist 0.4
    3. Pedestrian 0.15
    3. Car 0.1

    Given that recent years have seen the cycling stats get worse, on fatalities it does look like cycling is >4x dangerous than driving. Relative under-reporting for some modes is unlikely to be significant for fatalities.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. neddie
    Member

    cycling is >4x dangerous than driving

    cycling is >4x more risky than driving.

    Cycling in itself is not dangerous, it does however carry some risk (from 3rd parties).

    For drivers, the danger comes from drivers. For cyclists the danger also comes from drivers. Therefore, driving is dangerous, cycling is not.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    PS. Sorry, to be a pedant, but I believe that language matters when it comes to words like 'dangerous' and 'accident'

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    "I believe that language matters when it comes to words like 'dangerous' and 'accident'"

    +1

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. stiltskin
    Member

    I'm sorry, but I think for most people, what matters is who ends up dead.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. le_soigneur
    Member

    "I'm sorry, but I think for most people, what matters is who ends up dead. "

    +1 (and the corollary, that _I_ do not end up dead)

    Posted 10 years ago #

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