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20 mph - consultation coming soon
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Posted 10 years ago #
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Far too many "Proposed 40mph".
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too much 30mph.
too patchy in general in fact.
in/out/up/down
dogs breakfast
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"too patchy in general in fact."
Will need some detailed analysis!
Let's hope (for instance) Spokes and LivingStreets will work together on this.
IF there is any good reason for 40mph in the city, clear 'need' for segregated cycle facilities - 30mph signs would be cheaper... (Though not actually required as 30 is 'default').
Should work towards situation where 20 is default.
Really need politicians to explicitly justify why individual roads 'have to be' 40 or 30.
There is a notional priority on 'road safety' - reducing KSI, but also targets for traffic reduction (as well as increasing cycling to 10%).
Good reasons to go for blanket 20 - other places have.
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Slightly tangential - but the consultation on the pilot 20mph schemes on trunk roads through towns is now online http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/road/safety/speed-management-towns-and-villages
They weren't actually going to bother to put it online until I asked and it's taken them a month but hey ho...
Much straining to pass a gnat, having looked at Langholm's which is a magnificent 300m long.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Some roads which are at 30mph on the Council map but ought to be 20mph:
- Queen's Drive in Holyrood Park
- Old Church Lane in Holyrood ParkIf these two remain at 30mph that's an open invitation to speeding rat runners. It's a park! People stroll, jog and cycle there. It should be closed to through traffic, but 20mph throughout would be a start.
- Portobello Road/A1140 east of Piershill
- Willowbrae Road south of Abercorn Crescent
- Craighall Road from Victoria Park northwardsI'm struggling to see the logic here. These are roads that pass through residential areas with people's homes fronting onto them. Why are they not 20mph? Craighall Road even has two schools adjacent.
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Polwarth Tce & Colinton Rd should definitely not be 30, as they are (proposed) alternative routes to the canal towpath
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"Polwarth Tce & Colinton Rd should definitely not be 30, as they are (proposed) alternative routes to the canal towpath"
absolutely. please write to your councillors and com,munity council to say so.
a clear case can be made for this given number of schools, nurseries and parks in the area, even if it is not as densely residential as the tenemented areas.
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And Lanark Road stays at 40 - they should take that down to 30.
I'm pleased to see that Dalry Road and the first part of Gorgie Road are proposed at 20 - it will be insteresting to see how that works out.Posted 10 years ago # -
@crowdriver
- Queen's Drive in Holyrood Park
- Old Church Lane in Holyrood ParkIf these two remain at 30mph that's an open invitation to speeding rat runners. It's a park!
+1.
The map gave me a good laugh... all that "existing 20mph" on streets where cars have repeatedly shot past me.
(Annandale Street 20mph? My sides are hurting...)
Posted 10 years ago # -
There is a separate consultation to follow on scrapping all of the 40mph roads in town, IIRC? Someone more organised than me may be able to confirm...
Posted 10 years ago # -
They should scrap the "part-time" 20mph bits, and just make them full-time. As far as I can see the part-time ones are largely ignored - commercial vehicles seem to be worst for this for some reason.
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Agree they should make all of the part time 20 sections full time, although it does look like they are in quite a number of instances.
Other bits that should be 20mph (partly just jotting down here as an aide-memoir before responding to consultation)
- Cameron Crescent from Cameron Toll roundabout, as they have done for Cameron Road (continuation of A7 into town).
- Esslemont road (seeing as they are proposing Gordon Terrace from the junction, otherwise just a silly 50m section).
- Musselburgh Road from CEC boundary - residential properties fronting onto road, well used by cyclists as it links Brunstane Burn Walkway with route 10.
Posted 10 years ago # -
20 mph speed limit consultation
We are keen to engage with a wide range of people and it would be helpful if you could forward the email below and the attached leaflet to your own distribution lists.
The consultation and engagement programme will involve a rolling programme of meetings and drop in sessions in each of the neighbourhood areas. Leaflets and posters will be distributed widely to community councils, registered tenants associations, equalities and community groups, libraries, community centres, Council reception areas, local offices and doctors surgeries.
**** An exhibition of the proposals will take place from 1 – 14 September in the Central Library, George IV Bridge and maps of the proposals will be available in Morningside and Gilmerton libraries from 1 September.
For South Central and Liberton Gilmerton a public meeting has been arranged for the evening of Tuesday, 23rd September 2014 @ 7.00 pm in the City Chambers. All welcome.
[ Other drop-in sessions and public meetings are described in the leaflet. ]
If you wish any further information on the 20mph programme, please contact Eileen Hewitt directly. Her contact details are noted below.
Eileen Hewitt I Professional Officer - 20mph Programme I Strategic Planning
I Services for Communities I City of Edinburgh Council I C:2 Waverley
Court, 4 East Market Street, Edinburgh, EH8 8BG I 0131 469 3502I
eileen.hewitt@edinburgh.gov.uk I 20mph@edinburgh.gov.ukI'll attach the leaflet when I get to dropbox...
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We have a particular bee in our bonnet about Marrionville Road so will be along to feedback on any proposals in that respect.
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Seems there is an online consultation questionnaire for folks to fill out. Find it here:
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/20mph
Flyer, report to Council, and FAQ can be downloaded there too.
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Interesting snippet in the FAQ:
"Does 20 mph also apply to cyclists?
Yes. People on bikes can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling if they are caught going over the speed limit."Really??? ;-)
Also, some fairly big hints that Council may be prepared to "modiffy" the proposals. I hope they'll modify by extending 20mph even further, but what are the chances of Edinburgh's drivers and traders writing in to ask for that? I imagine there'll be lots of folk protesting at 'arterial routes' being made 20mph... They are already suggesting they'll remove sections of some streets from 20mph to stop undue delays to bus services...
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"Does 20 mph also apply to cyclists?
Yes. People on bikes can be prosecuted for dangerous cycling if they are caught going over the speed limit."A disingenuous answer! They could not be prosecuted for exceeding the speed limit, because it applies only to motor vehicles. But a cyclist who is behaving 'out of control' or 'dangerous' or 'careless' could be prosecuted, regardless of their speed.
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They are already suggesting they'll remove sections of some streets from 20mph to stop undue delays to bus services...
One presumes the council (and Lothian Trambuses) will be conducting before and after measuerments of speed and timing to gauge the effect of the 20mph limits. I mean, you would, wouldn't you, if you wanted factual data, otherwise you'd simply be a knee-jerk change hater.
Regardless of "average speeds" (and won't it be embarrassing for Lothian Buses if average journey times actually come down?), I'll be a lot happier knowing that if I or someone else makes a mistake while walking or cycling then the thing that collides with me will be going at 20 rather than 30. In theory.
Posted 10 years ago # -
This is another consultation where instead of writing in as cyclists we write in as drivers (well I will ask my designated driver to do so) as tactically this will be a more powerful opinion.
dear council wallah
I am a distinguished advanced driver of Edinburgh. I have noticed that my vehicle appears to proceed at 20mph in many 30mph areas due to congestion. As a retired military man and rational ethnographer to trade I would therefore urge that the speed limit signs reflect the speed that I can go at which is 20 mph.
Yours
Colonel Potty
Posted 10 years ago # -
Anyone who has the energy to fight for 20mph to be extended to the roads people actually use to travel around the city has my blessing, but I'm not sure I can be bothered with this one, after the extended agony over Leith Walk.
We run on Constitution St all the time from the office, and all we've got to show for £5 million is that all the dog sh!t is left lying on a slightly more expensive kind of pavement.
All the chicanes have left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'm off for a cycle instead!
Posted 10 years ago # -
Some of my comments -
"There is no justification for any roads to be 40.
The journey time reduction on roads like Calder Road is insignificant and not enough to justify the extra noise, pollution and indeed road space taken up by the dual carriageway and roundabouts.
Please make Edinburgh a 21st C Capital city."
'Concerns and reservations' -
"That you will cave-in to complainers - including Lothian Buses."
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I provided a very full response to the questionnauire. Beware that, at the end they ask which modes of transport you use to get around the city. I could not bring myself to fib and say I drove or motorcycled around, but did tick all the other transport options, including cycling. I am worried the officials will use these categories to pigeonhole folk into opposing camps, the better to weigh up 'pro' and 'anti' positions on 20mph.
So, if you drive, motorbike, and support 20mph: please say so on the survey!
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/20mph
It's really important that as many voices as possible respond to this. You can bet that outraged motorists will be complaining about 'too much' 20mph, so if you support it, let the Council know!
Posted 10 years ago # -
my five 'proposed to stay at 30' but which ought to be 20mph are:
Colinton road from Holy corner to after the tennis centre
Polwarth Terrace from scotmid to where it meets Colinton rd
Cluny gardens
Mayfield
Queen's Drive
Posted 10 years ago # -
I put in a suggestions for additional measures to control speed on Drumbrae Drive and Maybury Drive, although as they are both bus routes I'm not holding my breath.
Posted 10 years ago # -
The only "stay at 30" proposal that directly concerns me in a "in my backyard" sort of way is Queens Drive. Glad to see Marionville Road on the 20mph proposal, although it needs some serious speedbumping or similar if they want to do something about its use as a racetrack from the all night Macdonalds at Meadowbank. They wouldn't even have to be high speedbumps, the main offending cars are so low to the ground that a couple of inches ought to do it.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Balgreen Road should be 20mph.
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I also picked Queen's Drive and Old Church Lane (or whatever it's called) and also Duddingston Road West as it has an extremely narrow pavement.
I suggested Queen Street needed additional measures as it is already a racetrack as it is!
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"I suggested Queen Street needed additional measures as it is already a racetrack as it is!"
Chicanes?
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