Yes. Plus "Motorists Dismount" signs. :-)
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20 mph - consultation coming soon
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Posted 9 years ago #
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You can see my "30mph but should be 20mph" roads further up the thread.
I also made a case for speed bumps on Abbeyhill (and a one way system/closure of the dangerous right turn junction on Abbeymount) as it is a rat run; speed responsive signage on Regent Road, Abbeymount, Montrose Terrace and Easter Road as downhill these are all race tracks for motor vehicles.
I also voiced concerns about the potential for the scheme overall to be watered down in response to complaints from motorists, and urged the Council to stand firm.
If enough folk respond with really positive support and suggestions for extending/enhancing the scheme, it might just achieve a good outcome for the city.
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The FAQs say that they estimate that the proposals will add about 25 seconds per mile on to journey times. Isn't the average city car journey less than two miles? So will most people even notice the time cost?
A complete crossing of the city is around 8 miles (as an example I looked up Wester Hailes to The Shore on Google Maps), so adding around 4 minutes to a journey.
Delivery drivers who are out on the road all day may notice a difference, but I'm sceptical it will be a significant one.
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"Delivery drivers who are out on the road all day may notice a difference, but I'm sceptical it will be a significant one."
Partly depends if 'measures' reduce general traffic - though that doesn't seem to the aim of other CEC 'initiatives'!
Posted 9 years ago # -
From the survey -
Question 12. How did you hear about this consultation?No option for CCE? Wot?
Posted 9 years ago # -
Bump.
If you want 20mph limts city-wide, and you haven't filled out the feedback survey yet, please do.
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Done. Thanks for reminder.
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Just doing this now. Having read the FAQ, I'm quite happy about the slightly disingenuous answer to the question about whether the speed limit applies to all vehicles. The precisely accurate answer "No, it doesn't. Cyclists can't be prosecuted for speeding" would only encourage the EEN frothers. The answer they give is an artful response that shows that someone is thinking of the benefit to cyclists of this proposal.
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done
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Done
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Done although I'm not sure if my Fife postcode will disqualify it. These people shouldn't be allowed to write questionnaires.
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@insto, you could have bent the post code but in truth you should be allowed to comment as driver through Edinburgh.
I stupidly said my principal mode of transport was tram. I should have said car I feel I may have to fill it in again
Posted 9 years ago # -
Bump x 2
Just a reminder folks. If you have not completed the online consultation survey, please do so. Make your voice heard on 20mph.
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Thanks for the reminder. Just filled this in, including the comment that all roads within the bypass should be 20mph or 30mph (except A1 and West Approach road where no cycle/pedestrians)
Posted 9 years ago # -
Good to see this getting some 'traditional' publicity.
Posted 9 years ago # -
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“We’ll concentrate mainly on signage, although physical measures like pedestrian islands may be required on some residential streets where speeds don’t fall sufficiently with a signs and paint only approach,” she explained. “I also want to stress that speed humps will not be used on any main streets – ie those most likely to have bus services on them – which move to a 20mph limit.
“And the nature of the busier roads on which a 20mph limit is likely to be taken forward – the city centre, shopping streets and other roads with high numbers of pedestrians - means that impacts on bus journey times are expected to be very limited.”
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Glad she's highlighting the last bit. (As proved on this forum by dedicated CCEers taking their GPSes on buses!)
Posted 9 years ago # -
Porty Community Council are running a consultation on Edinburgh Council's 20 mph plans. We'll (PCC) use this to inform our representation to the Council.
The questionnaire asks for comments on 7 specific roads/areas in the Portobello area.
All responses are also being forwarded to the council's own consultation.
So if you live in Porty, please have your say at: http://www.portobellocc.org/20mph.php
Thanks/L
Posted 9 years ago # -
Gordon Henderson, senior development manager at the Federation of Small Businesses argues that this is bad for cyclists because:
"it is also worth noting than most cycle commuters will be restricted by the 20mph speed limits too, any adult on a bike travelling downhill will have to slow down to stay within the law."
Posted 9 years ago # -
cb - speed limits only apply to motorised vehicles (Sections 81 and 84 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984).
Posted 9 years ago # -
"one member mentions...the city’s empty bus lanes are a cause of congestion and that better management of arterial routes with more crossing points would be a better move"
Replacing the bus lanes with parking and installing more pelican crossings will help reduce congestion how exactly?
Posted 9 years ago # -
@Morningsider - shhh, we (the all-powerful cycle lobby) don't want it to get out that we're asking
driversthe engine of economic success to slow down, without impacting on our journey time...Robert
Posted 9 years ago # -
@morningsider
speed limits only apply to motorised vehicles
Does the notorious offence of wanton and furious riding apply in Scotland?
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IWRATS - The closest offence is "A person who in a road rides or drives furiously, recklessly or carelessly a horse or other animal (whether or not that horse or animal is attached to a cart or carriage) commits an offence." (Section 129(7), Roads (Scotland) Act 1984).
There is no offence of furious cycling.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Remaining consultaion meetings are THIS WEEK:
Sep 22, 2-4pm Drop-In Oxgangs Library
Sep 23, 7pm Public Meeting City Chambers
Sep 24, 6pm Drop-In Business Centre, McDonald Road LibraryPosted 9 years ago # -
The 20mph seem a great idea already some around Leith I notice. However I always though 20 mph is just a recommended speed rather than an office in its self to breach 2-mph may be used supporting carless driving etc. Of course to an extent even if this is the case if people think it’s the limit then will reduce speed perception the main thing normalising compliance.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Bump.
Public meeting TONIGHT, 7pm City Chambers
Drop-In session TOMORROW (24th September) 6pm, Business Centre, McDonald Road Library
Posted 9 years ago # -
http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/BriefingSheets/20mphGuidanceAnomoliesInScotland.pdf
In scotland it appears that 20 mph limits are not enforceable but 20 mph zones may be. To be a zone its need traffic calming, and the calming is intended to enforce the limit rather than the police.
However some other guidance suggests that traffic calming can incude bolards with 20 mph signs.
Also even if a limit is legally enforceable it would depend on the police wanting to enforce it.
Although to a certain extent this is almost acdemic as its really changing the culture and many people will be complaint or drive slower than they would do otherwise. Also their is widespread ignorance as to what is enforceable so most people would not know.
So even if edinburgh council put non enforceable limits everywhere rather than zones that are meant to self enforce may well change behaviour.
As enforcement is just one tool of behaviour modification, and at least initally their would be a perception by most that these are enforceable irrespective which could add to behaviour change.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Whatever your views on 20mph, get along to a public event tonight or tomorrow.
Posted 9 years ago # -
If you are not currently at the City Chambers, then last chance to speak to a Council bod face to face about this is tomorrow, McDonald Road Library, 6pm.
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