I wonder if Kenny Farquarson (Scotsman / SoS Editor) lives in a 20mph zone?
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20 mph - consultation coming soon
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Posted 9 years ago #
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CONTROVERSIAL plans to impose a 20mph speed limit across most of the Capital will be rolled out from this summer after only 54 objections were lodged.
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Probably best not to read the comments...
Posted 8 years ago # -
Might be better to read the first post on this thread -
Posted 8 years ago # -
"with only 27 indicating they supported the plans"
That doesn't sound right?
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"That doesn't sound right?"
Possibly on some actual 'final' form of words - but certainly not throughout the whole consultation process.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Probably best not to read the comments...
But then you'll miss gems like this:
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HindsHopelessly
Inadequate
No
Damned
Shame
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Depressing comment piece:
Posted 8 years ago # -
Following the consultation it it hard to argue that the city has not demonstrated its acceptance of the new regime.
Yes, it has accepted it. Well DONE. Have a biscuit. :-)
Posted 8 years ago # -
The way the Traffic Regulation Order system works means that, when it reaches the formal consultation stage on the detailed proposals, you can only lodge an objection. Letters of support don't really mean anything, as the purpose of the consultation is to deal with detailed issues of concern and not the general principles of the scheme.
Also, and I'm just speculating here, but I like to think that Douglas Adams would have been in favour of 20mph limits. The author of the Chipwrapper piece seems to forget that the Vogons destroy the Earth to allow them to build a bypass.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Someone on Twitter pointed out that their "objection" was actually an objection to a 30mph road being excluded. So potentially many of the objectors were actually generally in support of the scheme.
Posted 8 years ago # -
So - what's Neil Greig's CCE name then?
"I’ve just felt all along that this will make no difference to safety. If you really want to make people feel safe, you should be looking to change the nature of the roads. That could include traffic calming measures, shared spaces or narrowing the roads. It’s about actually spending more money on infrastructure."
Posted 8 years ago # -
From EN story
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Alex Johnstone, Scottish Tory transport spokesman, insisted introducing “a blanket 20mph limit” would be a mistake.
He said: “This is Scotland’s capital city, and when people arrive they expect to see things moving. What’s worse is that blanket speed zones actually dilute focus away from those areas, like schools, which genuinely benefit from a 20mph limit.”
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My bold - truly bizarre, but an all too common mindset (similar to the ones that prioritise "traffic flow").
Posted 8 years ago # -
That Tory is clearly Mister Toad wannabe. "I'll drive wherever I like, whenever I please, as fast as I wish. Get out of the way, peasants!"
Posted 8 years ago # -
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Edinburgh News (@edinburghpaper)
07/01/2016, 08:48
Do you support a 20mph speed limit in Edinburgh?"
Needs a lot more yes votes -
https://twitter.com/edinburghpaper/status/685020206155038720
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Posted 8 years ago #
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After reading the Murrayfield Community Council Minutes last night and the comments on that article today I'm going to have to go and lie in a quiet darkened room. Is idiocy contagious?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Lester Bongs continues to fight the good fight!
I dredged out the Council's analysis of the original consultation on the 20mph limits. Which counters the "issues" raised by the commenters on the levels of support for the scheme (60% strongly supported or supported the scheme and only 36% opposed or strongly opposed), who responded (over 60% regularly drive in Edinburgh) and how people heard about the consultation (the most common method being social media at 25%).
Not that it will make any difference, these people are impervious to reason.
Posted 8 years ago # -
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CAMPAIGNERS battling plans to impose a 20mph speed limit on most of Edinburgh’s roads have vowed “the fight is not over”.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/anti-20mph-camp-gears-up-for-battle-1-3995142
That's nice.
I'm sure they will make little impact, but still worth reminding councillors that people who care about Edinburgh and people's safety actually support this.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Even the EN commenters (so far) support 20mph!
Posted 8 years ago # -
I wonder how much advertising these face ache ejits would need to satisfy them. It was in the only local paper for weeks as they tried desperately to block the proposal and fill otherwise empty column inches.
Posted 8 years ago # -
So, the Council didn't ask the public...
...apart from hosting an online consultation that was mentioned on the front page of the city's local paper almost every day, featured on BBC and STV news bulletins, advertised on bus stops and in city libraries, linked to on the front page of the council's website and subject to wide discussion on social media.
I get it - they forgot the town cryer. So often overlooked these days, but so many people's only source of information.
Posted 8 years ago # -
....and 5,000+ people are likely to turn up in April to support it. (and not just click a "like" button from whichever stone 'neath which they dwell)
Posted 8 years ago # -
Seems the EEN are firmly in the 'anti' camp. Check out this 'vox pop' piece collecting online commenters' views. Note that after every 'pro' view (the minority. of course), the EEN editor puts a sarcastic retort in brackets. The 'anti' comments are left without any response, naturally.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
Posted 8 years ago # -
The @saynoto20edin twitter account is up to 49 followers.
Its a movement, people !!!
Posted 8 years ago # -
Desperate times for the EEN. They need the clickbait to keep the ad revenue up. Apparently more job losses at Johnston Press to be announced today. Feel sorry for those affected but won't miss this rag.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Actually, this is world-class trolling and leads me to suspect Poe's Law is in effect here:
Really Irritatingly Intelligent Chauvinist
The slower a vehicle is traveling, the more time it gives someone to become "the hazard". Concentration levels are also reduced at lower speeds which is why the majority of collisions occur in places like supermarket car parks, where if anything, more concentration and awareness is required. And as has been said before, pedestrians take less care in the vicinity of slower moving vehicles. Agreed, the outcome of a collision is likely to be more severe the higher the impact speed, but less likely to happen where vehicles are faster moving. Travel to and from work can add greatly to the working day and many people work hours and at places where there are few if any pedestrians, negating the safety argument at these times and places. £2.2 million is a lot of money to spend to force a speed restriction of 20mph when at certain times, 40mph or greater would add no additional risk to anyone. Nature decrees that lost time here will be made up somewhere else, especially when the loss of time is artificially imposed.I wondered what happened to Cliff from Cheers.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Stickman - love it. Although, it does raise one concern. If cars pose a greater hazard the slower they move while pedestrians progressively take less care, does that mean parked cars are the most dangerous?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Very logical Morningsider.
Clearly the only route to total safety is to ban cars altogether from the city.
Posted 8 years ago # -
And if people run everywhere and cars go faster then things will be even safer! Zero casualties!
Posted 8 years ago # -
I love the quotes from Jerry Stewart in the anti20 brigade gears up article.
"the effect on businesses’ day-to-day workings would be
unclear
until the roll-out ...
sometimes you can’t go any faster than 20mph anyway.
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the new limit might ease congestion in parts of the city centre."Yup. He sounds like he's really against it.
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