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Chris Hoy hits out at “stupid” cyclists

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  1. Focus
    Member

    WARNING: Plenty of swearing in the comments!

    "Multiple Olympic gold medal winner Chris Hoy has emerged as one of Britain’s most vocal advocates for cycling. But he believes that some cyclists are doing the cause no good by their behaviour on the roads.

    “When I’m out on a bike and I see someone doing something stupid I will absolutely have a word with them at the next set of lights,” he told the Telegraph’s Theo Merz in an interview.

    Hoy gave a recent example, of a rider he’d chastised while in his home town of Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago.

    He said: “There was a guy who was riding like an idiot, jumping lights, cutting up the pavement, and I just said: ‘You’re not helping matters here. If you want respect you have to earn it.’”"

    Click link for full article.

    Some pretty pathetic responses in the comments section, whether you agree with Chris or not. A number of responders apparently choosing to be offended. Yes, I get that some people don't like the idea you should earn respect but it's really a turn of phrase. Chris is clearly having a go at irresponsible cyclists - and they do need to earn respect because they are not showing it in relation to the law and other people.

    But of course, respect should be mutual and all road users should give it and be able to expect it under normal circumstances.

    The objectionable responses are well summed up by this comment:

    "Nothing wrong with what Sir Chris has said. But he does need to be aware of how headline writers (including those on road.cc, disappointingly ) will summarize his comments, particularly given a lot of "readers" don't go beyond the headline and first para to read the actual quotes. "

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. minus six
    Member

    Never liked Hoy and his smug media image. A product of the class system. Plenty on here disagree, I'm sure.

    Helen Blackman's response is apposite.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Bax your call on whether you like chris hoy or not. We are all products of the class system. Do you mean he went to a fee paying school? I disagree with them and their ridiculous charity status. Hoy always seemed quite reasonable but I understand he has switched to driving a car now for a living?

    As cyclists we are all able to discuss riding attitude with other cyclists, if we can catch them. I try to be zen like now but will crack if someone jumps three reds in a row. However, car drivers are not able to have similar conversations with bad drivers. Shame chris hoy does not use his public profile to emphasise the need for strict liability, better infracture, continental attitude to cycling as a positive activity on so many different levels for individual health and wellbeing and the good of the planet.

    I shall check my prejudice here by seeking the full article. He does mention health benefits in road.cc I am so prejudiced I will not look at daily telegraph. However, the headlines are from the more contentious quote about earning respect and his positive message is lost. Maybe he does his own PR now?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. GDR
    Member

    Bax-what utter nonsense. My grandfather was a miner. The other was a bin man. My dad was a PC. I went to a fee paying school (much scrimping and saving by my parents). I have also spoken to other cyclists who do daft things.Does this mean I am also a product of the class system? What the hell does this have to do with the class system?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. minus six
    Member

    Shame chris hoy does not use his public profile to emphasise the need for strict liability, better infracture, continental attitude to cycling

    Indeed. Essentially, he's the anti-boardman.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. minus six
    Member

    What the hell does this have to do with the class system?

    Everything. Chris Hoy has an easy attitude borne of privilege. He's happy with the status quo. Wouldn't be seen dead ruffling feathers politically for a cause.

    That's my take, you have yours.

    But then again, my views are not particularly in tune with the zeitgeist. I'd see all landlords hanging from lamp-posts, for instance. Not a particularly popular notion these days.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. Focus
    Member

    My parents both went to fee-paying schools. I went to a comprehensive. Means nothing.

    As for Chris, having met him, he's incredibly down-to earth and to think he is smug is laughable. However, if he were smug, he'd have a right to be, as one of the best sports cyclists the world has ever seen. Is he smug because he smiles?

    I gave up on that article by Helen Blackman after a couple of paragraphs. Most groups of people end up being judged by the negative actions of some of its members. You only have to look at the number of inane comments in the EEN to see that "all cyclists are pavement-riding, pedestrian-terrorising, RLJing lycra louts" .

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    Wow Bax, all landlords? You mean of rented flats? Even the responsible ones ? Quite a few of them currently in hock to the banks. One I know keen not to be a landlord so much. Must he hang from the post, could he not just close his business? He is a good lad?

    You have done something similar to hoy here. You have made an eye catching quote draw from essentially well made point that boardman (assuming he went to comprehensive school) is a cycling advocate who does try to ruffle feathers whereas chris hoy is likely to be an advocate for the status quo.

    As GDR says some pupils at fee paying schools are from quite modest backgrounds. Still like your boardman hoy distinction. Reminds me of the Steve ovett / seb Coe distinction. Ovett from modest background, Coe better off. Steve ovett's son apparently working in a fish and chip shop in Brighton. Coe in House of Lords etc. both earned respect but I know who I like best.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. Focus
    Member

    @ bax

    "Indeed. Essentially, he's the anti-boardman. "

    Why does he have to campaign politically? What is this need for high profile sportspeople to do so? Sure, it would be nice if he did, but it's his choice. He performed on the track so maybe he should be lending support to track-related issues and leave road issues to the likes of Boardman who has a road cycling pedigree.

    Hang on, he has. Even then, it's his choice.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. Focus
    Member

    @ gembo

    "You have done something similar to hoy here..."

    And made a sweeping generalisation, just as Hoy has been accused of doing.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    Yeah, I think Helen Blackman has it spot on.

    Chris Hoy might be an ex-private school rugger bugger but I won't hold it against him. I do however think his attitude towards publicly disparaging other road users needs to be questioned.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. minus six
    Member

    Must he hang from the post, could he not just close his business? He is a good lad?

    Since you're vouching for him.. we'll let him off, just this once. I trust he just fell in with a bad crowd.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    Yes, easily influenced and susceptible to cutting a deal. But when with me he toes the party line.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. minus six
    Member

    @focus

    I could see from the outset that you were warming to the task of defending Hoy's comments.

    Me, I just tire of the endless hagiography.

    I've no doubt that he's an affable guy, and his dedication to olympic sport is incomparable.

    Hoy has no political axe to grind, after all he's a successful sports personality, and as you point out, he's no roadie.

    Yet he's in a position where his comments are in the spotlight, and this one was rather ill-conceived.

    It was disappointing that none of the clutch of olympic medals he picked up back in the day could have been dedicated to any of the olympic cycling hopefuls who have died in fatal collisions while training on UK roads. That would have been poignant, and would likely have started a serious debate.

    I can't think of any other olympic sport that carries such fatal risk in daily training.

    But as you say, its his choice.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. Nelly
    Member

    @Bax - "I'd see all landlords hanging from lamp-posts, for instance".

    I presume you are not talking about councils or housing associations but are advocating death to private landlords?

    Guess what, I am a landlord (very much small time) and would be surprised if I am the only one on here.

    I am registered, insured, fix all and any problems, dont rip off tenants, nor do I drive a Porsche or bank millions ( or whatever other perceived wrongs private landlords have done in your mind).

    You might want to reconsider posting ridiculous and offensive comments on a public forum.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. Charterhall
    Member

    I was wondering if this story was going to be picked up here. Road.cc is often quite informative but they often go for the sensationalist headline.
    I surprisingly found myself in an email exchange with Chris Hoy a few hours after he won his first Olympic gold, my impression was of an immensely likeable bloke and that has been reinforced by everything else I've read or heard about him subsequently, including what he is quoted as saying in this story.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. Focus
    Member

    @ crowriver

    Genuine question: would it be ok if he was registered on CEC and posted in Today's rubbish cycling or Today's rubbish driving...? And yes, I appreciate he would then be able to do so anonymously if he so chose. And what if he did so but then it became clear it was him?

    Just wondering your thoughts, no wish to argue the point.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. minus six
    Member

    You might want to reconsider posting ridiculous and offensive comments on a public forum

    No, I most certainly won't reconsider.

    I despise the rentier economy, it is a cancerous leech.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. Kenny
    Member

    When my kids were at (private, i.e. non-council) nursery, I calculated that it was actually cheaper to send them to the school Chris Hoy went to than it was to send my kids to nursery, therefore we'd save money if we sent them private.

    Surely landlords are helping those who would find it difficult to get a mortgage? Without a landlord, I certainly wouldn't have had anywhere to live with my wife when I first got married - and I worked in a bank at the time!!

    I'm not sure how Hoy's comments are ill-conceived - he's surely just made his opinion known about something? Isn't he allowed to do that? Clearly some will agree and others will disagree, but I fail to see how his comments are ill-conceived?

    hagiography - new word learned!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  20. crowriver
    Member

    would it be ok if he was registered on CEC and posted

    Completely different situation. Chris Hoy is a sporting celebrity and knows very well the level of his public esteem and respectability, and that his public comments are likely to find their way into mainsteam media.

    He may be affable, and a nice chap in person. However he is surely not naieve when it comes to the media. He is helping to reinforce what Gramsci called cultural hegemony (in this case imposed by the driving majority) through stating that others, who just happen to use bicycles, tarnish his and all other cyclists' reputations when they behave irresponsibly.

    As Helen Blackman points out, he hasn't assumed that irresponsible drivers put his own (presumably responsible) driving into disrepute, nor that of millions of other drivers. No, it's only irresponsible cyclists who give others a bad name.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. gembo
    Member

    Bax, that is a shame because you are guilty of the same thing that you have accused Hoy of.

    Kenny ill conceived because chris hoy is a public figure and his quotes pounced upon for a headline?

    I think Kenny you are saying that the private nursery at George watsons cost less than some other private nurseries as you can still get a rebate from the government at all nurseries that are suitably registered (includes loretto, Edinburgh high, erskine stew Mel etc) but little monkeys that isn't registered and charges what it wants/ what people will pay doesn't come with the rebate?

    Obviously primary 1 at sciences/south morningside etc is free and demonstrably just as good as merchant schools where fees are significant.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    When my kids were at (private, i.e. non-council) nursery, I calculated that it was actually cheaper to send them to the school Chris Hoy went to than it was to send my kids to nursery, therefore we'd save money if we sent them private.

    A false opposition.

    As council nursery is only part-time, and only available from 3 years of age, if both parents want/need to work full-time, or child is under 3 years, private childcare is the only option unless one has very understanding relatives with lots of time to spare. Parents are eligible for childcare vouchers to pay for part-time private nursery after the age of 3 years.

    Primary and secondary school is availble free of charge at the point of use for all children. So sending sprogs to private school certainly does not save money.

    That private nurseries are expensive is partly a result of stricter standards imposed by regulation. That parents have to pay for full-time childcare is a result of political policy. In a number of other countries, preschool childcare is free or available at subsidised rates.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. Nelly
    Member

    Bax, you have a PM

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. SRD
    Moderator

    I'm with nelly. Have been unwilling landlord for 5 years (hopefully ending soon). It was that or selling in negative equity. Like nelly, we're registered etc etc and having been tenants ourselves try very hard to be good landlords. Don't see what I've done to deserve hanging.

    I have little time for private education - have opposed it publicly and politically in the past.

    And I wish Chris hoy didn't say rubbish things.

    But I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. minus six
    Member

    Bax, that is a shame because you are guilty of the same thing that you have accused Hoy of.

    fully aware of that, gembo !

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. Charterhall
    Member

    My advice to anyone tempted to reply to Bax, just ignore him/her, he/she doesn't matter

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. minus six
    Member

    I definitely don't matter, Pintail...

    I'm a sock puppet non-entity.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. Kenny
    Member

    A false opposition.

    I wasn't opposing it, but merely highlighting the fact that the costs of (some) fee paying schools are not only for the rich, as it is sometimes believed.

    Your points are all entirely valid, of course!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. Uberuce
    Member

    My my, this has gone very unCCE-ly heated, hasn't it?

    Last night I was coming home from Sainsbury's(I'm middle class, so I shop there, and after my mother died last year I became the half-landlord of my grandmother's flat, so I guess I'm due a semi-noosing) and overtook a bus at a stop. I was shortly going to turn right up to Meggetgate so I took primary in the right hand lane, this plan being centred around the bus's movement. A private cab came tearing up behind me and I could hear it was full of leary blokes shouting at the cyclist 'holding them up', and since I was in the opposite of a hurry I drifted over to the left to let them pass.

    The chap in the front wound down the window and told me I wasn't wearing hi-viz. That was all we had time to interact, since they were tearing on, and it was true: I was in my jetblack base layer.

    I was expecting a mouthful of abuse, but technically that was a note of concern.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. Kenny
    Member

    @gembo - tbh, my memory of it (it was a long time ago now, I have to be honest) was from a conversation with another parent who was definitely sending their little ones (as they were at that point) to the same fee paying school Chris went to, and he was telling me how he was going to save money. I didn't believe him at first, but he was honest enough to state the numbers and I was suitably dumbfounded! But I'm not referring to the private nursery at George Watsons, I'm referring to the private nurseries that crowriver is, I believe, referring to. "Normal" private full time ones.

    I'm merely trying to contest the notion that Chris is a man "borne of privilege", by pointing out you don't necessarily need to be such a person to attend such a school. Then again, maybe he is! I don't know his background at all. Does anyone know that he is from such a background? But either way - what difference does it make?

    Posted 10 years ago #

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