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Hope Lane North Bridge (over Harry Lauder)

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  1. tk
    Member

    Just a note to take care on the Portobello end. There is broken glass on the ramp and lots of debris / thorns from the work to stop the vegetation attacking cyclists as they round the corner

    I feel slightly bad requesting this as the roses smelled lovely in flower and they have almost completely obliterated them now but it saves having to get off the bike and duck to get through

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. tammytroot
    Member

    Ah! I saw that everything had been cut back this morning.
    Didn't see the glass though. Fortunately the marathons made it through OK.
    Don't worry about the roses they'll be back in no time.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. wangi
    Member

  4. chdot
    Admin

    " it took the full three days to complete the job, we cleared all the railings and cut the vegetation back about a meter from the path"

    All very commendable, but you really would think it would be CEC's responsibility to make sure that this important transport route was looked after better.

    P.s. It's time the vegetation on the Innocent from the tunnel to DRW was cut back.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. twq
    Member

    I've gone both ways on the bridge this week. It's a nice bit of infrastructure, but the links at either end leave a lot to be desired. A proper link to the Innocent would be a good start.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "A proper link to the Innocent would be a good start."

    Presume you mean a host of DETAILS - dropped kerbs, better surfaces, different priorities at junctions etc?

    There is a signed route - but...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    There is a quiet, kerb free, almost off-road route to NCN1 from the south end of the bridge. But you need to cut through the houses (left into Christian Grove, right into Christian Drive, left into Brand Gardens and the cut-through is on the right), up the ramp onto the pavement on the north side of Milton Road, along the pavement to the junction, down the ramp to the underpass, through both underpasses, turn left, along the side of what was Big W and you're on the NCN. I doubt any map could show it correctly. And underpasses probably rule it out for many people.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. cb
    Member

    "I doubt any map could show it correctly"

    Easily followable on OSM. I think you meant "turn right", not "turn left" after the underpasses.
    And according to OSM it's Brand Drive not Christian Drive.
    Is Milton Road pavement shared use?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. tk
    Member

    I do hope the council pay TCV for their volunteers to do this work

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. twq
    Member

    Is Milton Road pavement shared use?

    No, the bike path spits you out onto the junction with Brunstane Rd. An under/overpass for Milton Rd would be nice!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Yes, it needs a third underpass to reach Brunstane Road.

    On OSM is there any way to trace a route and export it? I wanted to share this route previously and visited OSM (as it's the only map I can find that has these cut-throughs) but it seemed to involve riding the route with GPS beforehand.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "On OSM is there any way to trace a route and export it?"

    http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net

    iPhone and android apps too.

    With the iPhone one you can specify points along a route. Don't know if other one had that.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. drnoble
    Member

    The other site that is quite good for this is http://cycle.travel/map it uses OSM data too, but lets you drag routes on the fly if they are not what you want

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    The work TCV has done is a big improvement. But Cycle streets doesn't suggest that (and the underpasses) as a quiet route to Gilbertstoun.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "But Cycle streets doesn't suggest that (and the underpasses) as a quiet route to Gilbertstoun"

    Can you post the URL for route it does plot - may be something missing in OSM.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    It suggests this. Though it does pick up the bridge on Hope Lane for shorter journeys.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. cb
    Member

    I don't think there is anything missing in OSM, perhaps just the way the algorithm works.

    The cutoff point seems to be somewhere on the zigzag north of Sir HL Road.

    Compare the balanced route and quiet route here:

    http://edinburgh.cyclestreets.net/journey/41337165/

    Also the quiet route is a bit step-tastic.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    You seem to have succeeded where I failed. The "quietest" route on your linked route is exactly what I was describing. Including the loop through the underpasses.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. wangi
    Member

    Pretty sure the quiet isn't what you were describing! It takes in three sets of steps...

    (I done so OSM edits around here this afternoon, nothing obviously missing but just marked cycling as expressly permitted on some of the paths)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. wangi
    Member

    Looking again none of the step have the number of steps recorded in OSM - this is used by the routing engines. I've added this just now (some accurate, some estimates) so lets see if that makes a difference in the next couple of days.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. amir
    Member

    I've just "discovered" this bridge as an alternative to the roadworks at Milton Road. Nice - but Hope Lane/Stanley Street is a rat-run - despite the surface and speed bumps

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. earthowned
    Member

    @amir - its certainly a nice quite alternative route to get from the NCN1 to Porty Prom. If I'm not in a rush I normally detour via Christian Crescent to avoid Hope Lane/Stanley St completely.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. dessert rat
    Member

    @ Amir - yes I have also only just discovered it and used it a couple of times to avoid those roadworks, but it cuts off 2.5km from my route, so I am just putting up with the roadworks for now.

    Rather than cycle on the pavement I just go against the one-way traffic in that small contraflow - they are invariably stopped anyway.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. amir
    Member

    "it cuts off 2.5km from my route"

    :)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. Bigjack
    Member

    I used to cycle that way regularly but have stopped going that way at morning school start time,since the Portobello high opened due to high numbers of pupils effectively blocking the bridge (don't dare ring your bell!)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. amir
    Member

    @Bigjack useful tip - thanks

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. amir
    Member

    How does this route compare with the Christian Path (for glass, rowdy types etc)? I am trying to get from Musselburgh direction onto Duddingston Road (avoiding the awful cobbles in Porty) so as to rejoin the Innocent at Duddingston Road W.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    amir, I used to go round the golf course on Stanley Street, then left onto Duddington Road then turn right up Meadowfield Drive, cut through onto the Queen's Drive and do a couple of laps of the Seat :)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. amir
    Member

    Good one cyclingmollie

    I did try the Christian path this morning and it's fine. Although it does leave a few metres of cobbles in Brighton Place.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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