Support for devolution /independence in Wales has generally lagged behind Scotland, but the trend has also been consistently upwards over the last 30-40 years. There's plenty on internet news sources about Welsh reaction to last week's Scottish referendum.
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And now? (Not the White Paper thread)
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Remember when the market reacted to stories about 'Scottish' banks moving bits south?
http://www.cityam.com/1411388867/why-tesco-s-share-price-just-fell-eleven-year-low
So many things Govs don't 'control'.
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Is a new scandal about to engulf the UK's banking industry? Was LIBOR just the tip of the iceberg?
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8:00 tonight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04hvynp
UPDATE
http://news.sky.com/story/1340322/barclays-hit-by-38m-fine-over-client-assets
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The main difficulty is convincing other states to recognise your new statehood.
At present it's tricky getting UPS in Spain to recognise Scotland!
Labels on boxes from there put 'Edinburgh, England'.
In retrospect the IndyRef struck me as a Scotland vs The Rest of The World affair. People with power and influence lobbied world opinion and we had everyone from the Pope to Obama telling the Scots that they shouldn't bother.
Did any international state hint support for an independent Scotland or would this have been too risky / undiplomatic?
Would also be interested to see a post ref poll now of what way people would vote now. Allowing for the fact that polls were out by 5% or 6% (maybe less with margin of error).
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Did any international state hint support for an independent Scotland or would this have been too risky / undiplomatic?"
North Korea were all for Scottish Independence, although stopped short of promising to send us nukes if we needed them.
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The SNP @theSNP
SNP on course to double membership as party overtakes UK Lib Demshttp://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/snp-course-double-membership
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"As of midday today, SNP membership had grown by more than 24,000 since the referendum – standing at over 50,000 and overtaking the figure for the Lib Dems UK wide, which is reported to be 43,451."
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North Korea were all for Scottish Independence
One of the saddest lessons of our recent affair was that most people just read the headlines of newspaper articles. Hence the headline <<North Korea 'backs Scottish independence'>> appears above a story stating that a Tokyo based journalist made some anodyne statements in support of the general principle of self-determination;
@Instography rightly rails against 'internet browsing as research', but I think 'headline scanning as news gathering' is equally dangerous to our civic life.
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@Iwrats, I suspect you are right. In the instance of the above article the headline was so stupidly irrelevant that the article probably didn't merit reading.
I hope that North Korea or an otherwise irrelevant Tokyo based businessman's support for either side of the debate didn't make a difference.
There was certainly more important things to read in the run up to last Thursday.
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SNP has more members than UKIP!
http://www.channel4.com/news/snp-membership-soars-politics-scotland-referendum
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The good news for the Greens doesn’t stop there though. Recent opinion polls put them at 10% of the regional vote for the next Scottish Parliament election – that could see them become the third largest party at Holyrood, overtaking the Tories. Again, astonishing.
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http://scottishindy2014.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/genuinely-astonishing
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Meanwhile in Wales
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@amir
I suppose it's a measure of how fractured and divided the UK of NI & GB now is that I've simply no concept of how Welsh people view their country. Some of them got together to make a very moving message of support for us here in Scotland;
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/06/20/a-beautiful-message-of-support-from-wales/
They have a linguistic weapon to fight the anglicisation of their culture, but I guess they are all the same just much more embedded in 'Britain' than we are, having no real history as an independent state and being physically much closer to Babylon on Thames.
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Right, I've caught up with the last seven pages.
Carry on.
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"Carry on"
Thanks!
I suspect 'we' will...
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Please do! This is the most I've ever learnt about politics and how countries are led.
And they call CCE a cycling forum...
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@bellacaledonia: Tommy Sheppard, former assistant general secretary of Scottish Labour Party, on why he’s joining the SNP: http://t.co/v9ZiCdKthi #indyref
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From above link -
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Without comparison the Yes campaign has been the biggest progressive movement I’ve been involved with in over 35 years of political activity. The level of involvement has been unparalleled. So many people, so much hope and an incredible unity of purpose. This was a tremendous flowering of democracy – people prepared to confront and overcome the feeling of being powerless in a world controlled by unelected elites. Many on a steep learning curve – developing confidence and articulation by the day. Most of all this was the moment when politics became too important to leave to the politicians.
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politics became too important to leave to the politicians
Just so. Met up with my local Yes group on Monday, and the quality of discourse made the utterances of our soon to be ex- member of parliament look like the gruntings of some kind of brain damaged ruminant.
We've abandoned the process of government to ambitious people with low moral standards and quite naturally this has cost us dear.
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EVERY one of Edinburgh’s parliamentary constituencies delivered a decisive No vote in the referendum, new figures have revealed.
But the SNP claims a big Yes vote in poorer areas of the Capital should be giving Labour sleepless nights ahead of next year’s Westminster general election.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/labour-should-be-wary-after-independence-vote-1-3549834
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The financial panic generated by the referendum shows the perilous state of the City of London, writes George Kerevan
REGARDLESS of how you voted, we can all agree on one thing: Britain had a near death experience last Thursday. The fascinating question is why the world’s financial markets felt so threatened by the prospect of Scottish independence. The peaceful secession of a mere 8 per cent of Britain’s citizens is hardly the stuff to trigger a run on sterling or a collapse in inward investment to the entire UK – predictions made during the referendum campaign.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/george-kerevan-uk-economy-is-a-ticking-time-bomb-1-3550780
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bbc positive oil story ... who'd have thunk it? Not a no.
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"EVERY one of Edinburgh’s parliamentary constituencies delivered a decisive No vote in the referendum, new figures have revealed"
Indeed - but lets not forget that a huge number (including me) in this No stronghold voted Yes.
For balance -
194000 Yes voters in Glasgow and 123000 Yes voters in Edinburgh.
wow - Over 120000 people in our city who wanted out of the union - plus I would wager a lot of the No voters in Edinburgh wanted more than the status quo, and were happy to see Cameron/Miliband/Clegg sign up to 'The Vow' ahead of polling day.
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Scottish Green Party membership now up by 4,000 since #indyref.
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As Scottish National Party (SNP) membership soars above 57,000, former First Minister Henry McLeish has warned that the Labour Party is in danger of dying out in Scotland.
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http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/11791-labour_faces_crisis_snp_membership_soars
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/henry-mcleish-warns-labour-danger-4313958
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As one of the larger parties in Britain now, can we look forward to representatives of the SNP appearing on Question Time and similar BBC 'national'offerings very regularly?
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Might need a few more MPs first.
So next year then ...
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It will be interesting to see if the SNP can maintain the iron discipline they've shown over the last four years. The resignation of John Wilson highlights that there will be some who have bitten their tongue over policy disagreements while the referendum campaign was going on.
I wonder also if any of the new influx of members to SNP and Greens are "defectors" from the likes of SSP, Solidarity etc. These groups aren't known for maintaining unity for long - how will they get on with their new party colleagues?
The next election may not be the cakewalk that some SNP supporters think.
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SSP also growing, apparently, though not on the same scale.
Anecdotally my impression is that many new Green party members have never belonged to a political party before. Some though are former members of Labour, Lib Dems.
Also anecdotally the folk I have heard of joining the SNP are mainly people who have not been members of parties before. However there do seem to be some former Labour activists joining them, including former councillors and so on.
Whether this rapid growth will lead to greater factional infighting is tricky to say at this stage. I don't think this is Militant Tendency style entryism we are witnessing, it's something quite different.
My impression from the Green perspective is that the new members are very welcome. Folk are not afraid of a robust discussion at times if need be, nor are they afraid of new ideas.
I can't speak for the SNP but I can't imagine they're too worried.
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"Rich Edinburgh voted for itself, meeting the No result with unconfined glee. Those of us who saw the misery of poverty in Scotland wept for the poor."
"Gordon Brown’s speeches [...] were more like the ravings of a man who had lost his marbles."
Possibly a bit rich. Didn't Jim try to promote the vote rigging YouTube video?
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Sillars has turned into a pseudo George Galloway loony tunes fruit loop type of figure.
That opening comment shows just how far apart he is from reality.....as well as being slightly insulting to 120000 people here who voted yes!
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Also pretty insulting to the 194,000 who voted No.
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