Any plans?
Like decent junction?
Protected bike lanes along G Pl??
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Canal-Meadows (STILL NOT finally!)
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Hopes raised and then immediately extinguished although Gilmore Place would benefit from being resurfaced, but there are far worse streets in Edinburgh. Valleyfield Street (not one of the worse ones) is still closed for roadworks. There are signs saying that NCN 75 remains open, but only the pavements are accessible around the roadworks so they are creating conflict by suggesting it is cycleable.
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(Not my photo)
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All lifted from CEC Project page.
Cycling improvements
- Segregated cycle track on Home Street
- Ban on 'through traffic' on Tarvit Street except for cycles
- Segregated cycling on Brougham Street
- Contraflow cycling allowed on Valleyfield Street and Glengyle Terrace
Walking improvements
- Pavement widening on sections of Lochrin Place and Leven Street
- Continuous pavements and pavement buildouts along the route to make it easier and safer for anyone walking or wheeling
- Relocating the pedestrian crossings at Lochrin Terrace and Home Street junction to spread crossings more evenly along the corridor.
- Pedestrianising Tarvit Street, next to the King’s Theatre
Creating a more pleasant environment where you’ll want to spend time
- Installing features like seating and bike parking along the route
- Providing better access to and from shops and schools within the area
- Improving pavements and access outside the King’s Theatre
Road resurfacing
- Brougham Street and Brougham Place - work is already underway
- Gilmore Place - later in 2025
Spaces for loading
- Designated loading spaces are important for local businesses and we have tried to keep any changes to a minimum
- Where we're recommending a change to support other improvements on the route, we'll aim to create new spaces nearby
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Notable by absence on the plans, nothing seemingly to be done about the ridiculous (1.5m?) shared path between Valleyfield St and Mason's Pillars (blue below):
A wider path could be had here with a bit of imagination. Crude / flawed attempt:
Move 1 lamppost, shorten RHS fence, one small tree removed. Even keep existing path? Within Meadows/Bruntsfield conservation area... potentially they think cycle traffic through here will be greatly reduced with Tarvit St reopening but that thoroughly discounts any approaching from the south.
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I need to see if I asked to be emailed a copy of my responses to the consultations. I think one of them came out not long after the MMW-Argyle crossing appeared, so I think I suggested they not hamper the usability of crossings on Brougham Street with right-angled turns, curiously-placed buttons and/or forests of poles set deep into the footway to protect
them fromexpensive motor cars from them.Posted 1 month ago # -
Interestingly plans show what looks like a northbound protected lane at the south extent of the map, but not how far up to Bruntsfield that will extend...
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@Bakky A parallel cyclway was proposed where you're suggesting in the initial project consultations but I believe trees were causing problems. I checked again a few months ago and got the following:
The changes to this crossing and path have been descoped from the project. To be able to address the concerns between NMW and the toucan, changes on the path and crossing would be required; as this is now beyond the scope of the project, no changes are proposed at either location. It could be that improvements are made in the future to this area, but for now and in the interest of progressing with the rest of the project, this area will remain out.
The pink at the south of the main plan is the existing northbound bus lane, unless I'm missing something in one of the other images?
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Unrelated? Valleyfield Street Now shut to motors for a few months
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Unrelated?
Yes
I know someone who thinks it’s “sewers”
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@ CHDot, it is always “sewers” for that person is it?
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“
have been descoped from the project
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CECspeak for ‘we’ve been scratching our heads for 10 years, now we’ve got other things to concentrate our talents on’.
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@g
I cannot remember if person has used s word in my presence before.
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There’s definitely a lot of sewer work in the neighbourhood.
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@bakky many years ago when we complained about the ‘NMW-Valleyfield connector’ we were told to wait for the meadows to canal infra. Idea was that it would take bulk of cyclists and use of the ‘spur’ would be reduced, such that it’s poor design and inadequate width didn’t matter.
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@ SRD, that’s worse than shocking.
Suspect whoever said that is no longer on project.
In any case, 11 years on, I expect figures will be wrong.
Though there’s 10 years of missing increase now, with people going elsewhere - or nowhere…
Anyway
Wot about the pedestrians?
That ‘alley’ and crossing has always been dire.
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“There are signs saying that NCN 75 remains open, but only the pavements are accessible around the roadworks so they are creating conflict by suggesting it is cycleable.”
Actually there is a lane -
But unsigned in any useful way
I was there for about a minute and two people cycled by on the pavement.
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The chap managing the works at CEC has been highly responsive and taken care to loop myself and Robbie in really well in communicating what should be happening here. The contractor on the ground have needed prodded multiple times in these first few days of the works to establish and also to maintain the cycleway space. So any time I see someone on Bluesky complaining it's been closed over again, we fire the link to the post off to CEC and it gets fixed.
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I followed the signage and ended up inside the workies camp. Looks like mono block not sewers.
What you do is turn into the street where the cycle lane is on the south side. So yes would be conflict if anyone cycling the other way but that is rare. So the lane is open and the pavement is there for Mr Living Streets Walloper and other normal people on foot.
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Don't remember seeing a lane open (at least not for more than a few metres before diverting bicycles onto the pavement) anytime I have been along it in the last week, although it sounds a bit like luck of the draw just now! I did encounter a vehicle being reversed along the road towards me as I was heading towards the Meadows on the remaining part of the road which remains open. I assume that this decision was made because they didn't expect there to be enough space to turn if they drove the "wrong way down a one way street" to arguably less dangerously (but illegally?) access a parking space.
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I walk this daily when at work (not much of late) and have had a number of encounters with cyclists in the pavement in the dark .@gembo you gonna call me a walloper too?
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@SRD no, you are different from the Living Streets EDINBURGH guy who hates cyclists.
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Email from King’s Theatre public realm project lead:
We are aware of some teething issues with the TM setup as we have been establishing our site compound and starting works over the last couple of days. I have already spoken to our contractor and reiterated how busy and important this route is for people cycling and that we must accommodate them as planned. We will continue working closely with our contractor and TM supplier throughout the various phases of the works to mitigate similar issues arising and resolving them asap should they arise.
(TM = traffic management, I assume)
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“TM supplier“ - for signs, and initial placement.
I suspect they don’t have day to day involvement if builders move them…
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It is illegal to reverse the wrong way up a one-way street. So all the cars parked on Valleyfield are there illegally (unless they haven’t been moved since the works started)
Another technicality (and “cars make everything more complicated”) that the council have overlooked - they either need to enforce no reversing and “you can only leave by car and not enter”, or they need to enable it with exempting signage
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I thought Valleyfield was two way for the duration of the works? Pretty sure the one way signs were covered up?
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It does look like the signs are bagged, from chdot’s pic above
Good spot SRD
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Got here from canal basin/Lochrin Place and proceeded down left side pavement as signage didn’t actually indicate anything else!
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In view of discussion above, it would seem regular cyclists don’t expect road to be open/clear -
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Well spotted @SRD. I guess that means it is ok for people to reverse their vehicles along the street cautiously...
I hope to experience an accessible cycling lane next time I'm heading that way, but I definitely won't expect it!
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